Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
>One (as yet unmentioned) solution is to equip the device with an air inlet >*and* a small bleed >hole. You feed cleaned / dried air ( or nitrogen if you are picky) under >modest pressure down >the air line. Works fine right up to the point somebody cuts costs by not >doing proper support >for t

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi You are going to fabricate the “base” as a solid piece. Getting a coax style connector into that is just a matter of your credit limit. The larger issue on the device is making the “cover” out of metal. That probably isn’t going to work very well :) Now you are off into a glass cover of some

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread jimlux
On 12/1/20 11:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget about “hermetic� connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need glass to metal seals embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > Yes, there’s more to it if you want to get connections in and out. Forget > about “hermetic” connectors, they aren’t up to the task. You need > glass to > metal seals embedded in the structure. Now you have even more constraints on > the package. What's available

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha with the device in question is that roughly 90% of the volume is in the microwave path to the antenna. Most of the remaining 10% if filled with electronics …. One (as yet unmentioned) solution is to equip the device with an air inlet *and* a small bleed hole. You fee

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread ed breya
Yes, without true hermetic enclosure, eventually enough moisture and other stuff will leak around or diffuse through the seals and materials. Depending on climate conditions and maintenance schedules, you could try try an old-school remedy, which is to stuff as much desiccant (like silica gel)

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Bob kb8tq
riginal Message- >> From: Poul-Henning Kamp >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:19 PM >> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> ; Art Sepin >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna >> >>> It'

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-12-01 Thread Stephen Tompsett
n > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 4:23 PM > To: Poul-Henning Kamp; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna > > >> To me it looks more like water ingress through micro-cracks in the >> plastic-dome, a

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-30 Thread jimlux
ge- From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; Art Sepin Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna It's obvious from the photo that the O-Ring seal failed its purpose over its many yea

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-30 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna > To me it looks more like water ingress through micro-cracks in the > plastic-dome, and the O-ring did its job and kept that water in. Interesting. That's the first we've h

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Lester Veenstra writes: > This brings up a point I have made frequently, in my professional life. > Do not try to seal in electronics (for me , satellite units mounted near or > on the feed system) instead warm the area with electronics and place a weep > hole at the low point. How to

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-30 Thread Art Sepin
ported more often in geographic areas that experienced a wide variation in barometric pressures. Art -Original Message- From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 11:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; Art Sepin Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EOL

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
> It's obvious from the photo that the O-Ring seal failed its purpose over its > many years of > service. Has the unit totally failed or does the electronic portion still > function? No, the electronics is stone dead. To me it looks more like water ingress through micro-cracks in the

Re: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-29 Thread Art Sepin
no charge if you will pay the freight/customs charges from San Diego, CA. Art -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:48 AM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna The first M

[time-nuts] EOL Motorola Oncore Remote Antenna

2020-11-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
The first Motorola Oncore Remote antenna I bought has failed after some 20 years of continuous service in Danish climate: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/20201128_EOL_Motorola_Oncore_Remote -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 9