Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-10 Thread Achim Gratz
Glen English VK1XX writes: > Has anyone tried to use a Neural net to control oven tmep, rather than > the ye olde PID ? If you believe the marketing, that is why the Nest thermostat is connected to the cloud. > IE the algorithm learns from previous beheviour and successfully > predicts behaviour

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-10 Thread Glen English VK1XX
Hi Chase thanks for the email. thanks for the tip on use of logistical classifiers. Agreed the PID (and  variations ) is a seemingly perfect fit , at least at the top level.. My guess is that the type of disturbance the 'the system' (affecting, ultimately, the set temperature) (the device) cou

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
https://www.electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-p-i-d-stuff-anyhow For all Bob Pease fans: there's a fabulous 9 volume ~1200 page scan of his columns here: https://archive.org/details/Bob_Pease_Lab_Notes The P-I-D article Ben mentions appears in volume 2, starting on page 167. /tvb _

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-10 Thread Ben Bradley
The article link in my post doesn't have valid links to the figures (Pease hand-drawn schematics), but these links work: https://web.archive.org/web/20121113202641/https://www.electronicdesign.com/files/29/6131/figure_01.gif https://web.archive.org/web/20121113202709/https://www.electronicdesign.co

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-10 Thread Ben Bradley
I recall Bob Pease in one of his many "What's all this ...stuff" columns made a small oven and PID temperature controller that he claimed kept the temperature within 0.001 degrees or something like that. This would make machine learning severe overkill. Temp control is slow enough (and generates/us

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-09 Thread paul swed
I will mention that TI has a neural net chip/eval board now for as I recall $99. Like so many things maybe it makes sense. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:02 PM Chase Turner wrote: > Hi Glen, > > This is actually something I know a little about. > > Neural nets are most useful for

Re: [time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-09 Thread Chase Turner
Hi Glen, This is actually something I know a little about. Neural nets are most useful for feature selection, that is, finding the important x that is a function of y, in a very large sea of x variables. In this case, we already know what's important, which is temperature stability. So, a neural

[time-nuts] Neural net to control oven temperature ?

2019-07-09 Thread Glen English VK1XX
Has anyone tried to use a Neural net to control oven tmep, rather than the ye olde PID ? IE the algorithm learns from previous beheviour and successfully predicts behaviour (or not). I'm sure there are a few out there proficient with machine learning algorithms. Might make a good masters t