Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Assuming you know the power level you will be delivering to the sat and the noise figure of the receiver on the sat, the calculation is just as presented earlier. If the antenna on the sat has gain, that also gets into this and that. Using some made up numbers, since I do not have the

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread bill
Hi again Karen, Have you seen this app designed specifically for the Es'hail QO-100? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antmodstudios.eshail2linkbudget=nl Any extra margin on C/N0 can be used to estimate permissible LO phase noise. Otherwise, you can put together a link budget in

[time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread Karen Tadevosyan via time-nuts
Hello Bill, Thank you for the clarification. It is especially pleasant that our opinions are 100% the same. However, I would like to find some tool for calculating the balance of the radio link in order to understand exactly the reasonable requirements for synthesizer's PN. The issue of

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:08 AM jimlux wrote: > On 4/24/20 5:52 AM, David J Taylor via time-nuts wrote: > > Hi > > > > The “wiggles” he is chasing are about 2-3 Hz (by eyeball on his charts). > > At 2.4 GHz, > > that is a fairly convenient ~1 ppb. The Z-3801 (if it was in good > > health) should

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread jimlux
On 4/24/20 5:52 AM, David J Taylor via time-nuts wrote: Hi The “wiggles” he is chasing are about 2-3 Hz (by eyeball on his charts). At 2.4 GHz, that is a fairly convenient ~1 ppb. The Z-3801 (if it was in good health) should be easily able to hold that level of performance. It’s not clear

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
Hi The “wiggles” he is chasing are about 2-3 Hz (by eyeball on his charts). At 2.4 GHz, that is a fairly convenient ~1 ppb. The Z-3801 (if it was in good health) should be easily able to hold that level of performance. It’s not clear which MD-011 he is using, but it is a pretty good bet it

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The “wiggles” he is chasing are about 2-3 Hz (by eyeball on his charts). At 2.4 GHz, that is a fairly convenient ~1 ppb. The Z-3801 (if it was in good health) should be easily able to hold that level of performance. It’s not clear which MD-011 he is using, but it is a pretty good bet it

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread bill
Hello Karen, As a general rule of thumb, if uplink LO phase noise power ends up being at least 15-20dB below the expected kTB noise received at the satellite transponder, its contribution is not really significant. With -98dBc-Hz, on Tx, you should be in good shape because, to simplify things

Re: [time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread David J Taylor via time-nuts
From: Karen Tadevosyan via time-nuts Hi, one of the interesting HAM radio topic in Europe now is the use of the new geostationary satellite Phase-4A (QO-100) for analog and digital modes via a 2.4/10 GHz transponder. [] === ... and Time-Nuts may be

[time-nuts] On choosing reasonable synthesizer PN requirements

2020-04-24 Thread Karen Tadevosyan via time-nuts
Hi, one of the interesting HAM radio topic in Europe now is the use of the new geostationary satellite Phase-4A (QO-100) for analog and digital modes via a 2.4/10 GHz transponder. For my transverter (input from a UHF transceiver) in TX mode I use a 1968 MHz LO with a phase noise level -98