[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 MHz low noise source

2022-04-05 Thread jeanmichel . friedt
> First, does the installed TCXO have EFC capability, or not? Jeff apparently > says not, while Gerhard > says yes. According to the datasheet, the ABLNO can be an XO only (no > suffix), or a VCXO ("V" > suffix). Jeff should be able to tell which, by inspection. The 16-bit Redpitaya I am looking

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 MHz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread ed breya
I was curious and looked up this Red Pitaya SDR thing (which I had never heard of - I would have guessed a poisonous snake, without the internet), and the Abracom TCXO. It's getting a little confusing to keep up with what's going on. First, does the installed TCXO have EFC capability, or not?

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread Jeff Blaine
Unfortunately I don't have any control over the code being run. So it's got to be fed with the stock Fc.  Now that I think of it, there is an offset in the config file for the application.  The typical offsets are in the 1.xNNN tweaks.  But given that range, I'm wondering if I could pull th

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread Philip Gladstone
I'm wondering if you could feed your stable 10MHz into the RP FPGA and then change the FPGA code to use that as the master clock source and adjust the PLL coefficients. On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:45 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > That’s a massive step down from what’s in there now. How much > that i

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi That’s a massive step down from what’s in there now. How much that impacts you depends a lot on what the end use is. The plots shown are in the vicinity of 10 MHz. If a straight multiply rule applies, the performance at 122 MHz would be about 20 db worse. The chip datasheet: https://www.sky

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread Jeff Blaine
I found a commercial programmable GPSDO that looks like it would do the job.  Based on a Si chip. http://leobodnar.com/files/Informal%20Evaluation%20of%20a%20Leo%20Bodnar%20GPS%20Frequency%20Reference.pdf Performance is not in the "great" category but I am guessing it would be in the "good eno

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi For a variety of reasons, you will have a loop bandwidth in the > 10 Hz to < 200 Hz region. The VCXO isn’t great close in and the GPSDO (even after multiplication) should be as good / better. Even with some work, the VCXO still will wander around due to temperature. Unless you go crazy, it al

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-03 Thread glen english LIST
Jeff one thing to be careful of with slower (lower bandwidth) PLLs and low VCO gains, is that you end up with loop filter capacitor values  that is microfarads. This will require film, tantalum etc caps that are not microphonic sensitive. this needs a bit of space. Ceramic caps make good micro

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-03 Thread Jeff Blaine
It looks like the XO version is mounted on the PCB.  But there is a VCXO version which would run about +/- 35 PPM/3.3V typical and that's (amazingly) available. Since this EFT is not an on-board capability, at the moment, I'm thinking to mount the VCXO - and associated goodies to slave it to t

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-03 Thread glen english LIST
Hi Jeff I know the device well (Red pittaya 122-16. Great ADC) . Have you thought of tweaking the supply volts to the on board oscillator (which isnt too bad at all) to shift it ? that sometimes works. Crystek have a 122.88 MHz CVHD-950 series VCXO which you can disclipine and it is VERY goo

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-03 Thread Lux, Jim
On 4/3/22 5:09 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi Does the Abricon have an EFC input? If so, rigging up a PLL to lock 122.88 to 10 MHz is probably the best option. Bob And what about moving off the board - so you don't have to chase the temperature swings. On Apr 3, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Jeff Blaine

[time-nuts] Re: Commercial solution - 122.88 Mhz low noise source

2022-04-03 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Does the Abricon have an EFC input? If so, rigging up a PLL to lock 122.88 to 10 MHz is probably the best option. Bob > On Apr 3, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > > I've got a couple of Red Pitaya 122-16 SDR and want to discipline them to an > external low noise GPSDO source. Wante