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2022-07-13 Thread Björn via time-nuts
Sent from my Phone > On 13 Jul 2022, at 02:34, Bob kb8tq via time-nuts > wrote: > > Hi > > The “typical” Symmetricom cone shaped GPS antennas are targeted at > cell phone tower applications. Being mounted on the same structure > as multiple cell transmitters puts them in a significant RF

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2022-07-12 Thread Mark Spencer via time-nuts
Thanks Bob. I believe this is what I have (I would need to climb up on the roof to double check the part number (assuming the label is still legible..)) https://www.microsemi.com/document-portal/doc_view/133381-58532a-datasheet Best regards Mark Spencer Sent from

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2022-07-12 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi The “typical” Symmetricom cone shaped GPS antennas are targeted at cell phone tower applications. Being mounted on the same structure as multiple cell transmitters puts them in a significant RF environment. They have a *lot* of filtering built into the antenna to try to prevent overload

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2022-07-12 Thread Mark Spencer via time-nuts
For what it is worth... I have a commercial grade ( Symmetricom ?) GPS antenna on the roof of my home. I don't recall ever having any issues with GPS reception despite having / had various other transmit / receive antennas on the roof for various frequencies from 1.8 MHz thru 1.3 GHz. Power

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2022-07-12 Thread John Sloan via time-nuts
> I'd like to get some opinions and war stories regarding GPS reliability at > high RF level and elevation locations. At last count I’ve got ten GPS/GNSS active antennas scattered around the house (I have a very understanding spousal unit), including one in the kitchen skylight and one

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2022-07-12 Thread Björn via time-nuts
Hi Matthias, There has been interference reported and resolved between 23cm and Galileo, which have signals in the 23cm band. /Björn Sent from my Phone > On 12 Jul 2022, at 09:20, Matthias Welwarsky via time-nuts > wrote: > > Hi, > > if you're worried about in-band interference, the

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2022-07-12 Thread Scott McGrath via time-nuts
I’m going to bring up jamming here as 1) i live directly under a military air route. 2) a local OTR trucker brings regularly scheduled jamming when he leaves/arrives home. Your client could also be in proximity to a ‘prepper’ who is running a GPS jammer to prevent ‘three letter agencies’

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2022-07-12 Thread Matthias Welwarsky via time-nuts
Hi, if you're worried about in-band interference, the 23cm HAM radio band is reasonably close to the L1 GPS frequency. When I was still active in packet radio back in the days, our digipeater DB0DAR lost an interlink due to interference with a precision GPS receiver in use by another

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2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi These days there are folks who make a living tracking down interference sources in the vicinity of ports and airports on a contract basis. Many of the issues are navigation related. Some of it is GPS. Some is other stuff ( like 5 GHz WiFI and radar …) Bob > On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:28 PM,

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2022-07-11 Thread Hal Murray via time-nuts
Andy Talbot said: > I also heard a case of a GPS antenna going unstable, oscillating and taking > out most of the boats in a marina. The Radio Communications Agency (as our > enforcement body was then, before it became Ofcom) had to be called out to > identify the problem. There was an

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2022-07-11 Thread Brian Lloyd via time-nuts
On 7/11/22 12:48, jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts wrote: for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS jamming exercises https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises not sure about the US of A announcements on such activities. At least in France

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2022-07-11 Thread Oz-in-DFW via time-nuts
On 7/11/2022 8:43 AM, Andy Talbot via time-nuts wrote: I also heard a case of a GPS antenna going unstable, oscillating and taking out most of the boats in a marina. There have also been several cases of cheap active TV antennas doing the same thing. There was a case 10 or more years ago that

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2022-07-11 Thread JC via time-nuts
Google 'GPS testing notices' On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 1:15 PM jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS > jamming > exercises > https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises >

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2022-07-11 Thread jeanmichel.friedt--- via time-nuts
for what it's worth ... the UK gov. is nice enough to warn about GPS jamming exercises https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/information/gps-jamming-exercises not sure about the US of A announcements on such activities. At least in France I have never seen such warnings. Best, JM -- JM Friedt,

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2022-07-11 Thread Bob kb8tq via time-nuts
Hi Are all the receivers the same type / model? If so what are they? Various receivers made over the last 20 years have some “issues” that can pop up. Is the antenna gain properly matched to the needs of the receiver? Some are designed for a “target gain” of 20 db, others 30, some 50. Match a

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2022-07-11 Thread Carsten Andrich via time-nuts
The u-blox SAW filtering is great. We've carried out various RF measurements with +40 dBm EIRP at 2.53 and 3.75 GHz with some u-blox ANN-MB within <2m of the Tx antennas. While we haven't conducted in-depth comparisons with a superior ground-truth, my current conclusion is that the u-blox RTK

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2022-07-11 Thread David G. McGaw via time-nuts
With the new 5G hardware, we are seeing all manner of new interference, some of it quite broad-band.  A good antenna with sharp SAW filter may help, but not if the emmisions are in-band. Besides broad-band, there also can be 2nd harmonic emissions that cause interference.  We had this problem

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2022-07-11 Thread Andy Talbot via time-nuts
There is a 3G/4G Supplementary Downlink allocation at 1492MHz in some countries. Close enough to cause problems. Andy www.g4jnt.com On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 14:40, paul swed via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Skipp > I am aware at least in the US that there is the possibility

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2022-07-11 Thread Andy Talbot via time-nuts
I have had one, and possibly two, low cost active antennas go unstable and start oscillating. These are the magnetic car mount type with a ceramic patch antenna. The ceramic patch has quite a high Q and determines the frequency the unstable RF front end takes off at - which is obviously at

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2022-07-11 Thread paul swed via time-nuts
Skipp I am aware at least in the US that there is the possibility of 5G interference along with newer possible bands that 5G can use. I have read several articles in a publication called GNSS. Thats why I am using wwvb at 60 KHz. Humor intended. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 8:49

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2022-07-11 Thread Lux, Jim via time-nuts
On 7/10/22 4:19 PM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: Hello to the Group, I'd like to get some opinions and war stories regarding GPS reliability at high RF level and elevation locations. Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, using different antennas mounted

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2022-07-11 Thread Chris Caudle via time-nuts
On Sun, July 10, 2022 6:19 pm, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: > Background: Three different hill-top GPS receivers, all different types, > using > different antennas mounted on an outside fixiture, plain view of the open > sky, > all stopped working. > > Test antennas were brought in and

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2022-07-11 Thread John Ackermann via time-nuts
Hi Skipp -- there is a lot of info about interference mitigation in the u-blox integration manual for the ZED--F9T (available under the docs at https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zed-f9t-module).  It might give you some clues, and I think might also point to another u-blox app note on the topic.

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2022-07-11 Thread Tom Holmes via time-nuts
Hey Skipp! A couple of thoughts… Why do you need an amplified antenna in a high and open spot, unless the coax run is longer than about 40’? Is it practical to move one of the existing antennas away from the current location as a test to see if it’s a failure vs overload? Assuming it is