[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Dana Whitlow
I have not yet heard what GB wants to do, but if it's long range work (return time of 10's of sec or longer), the problems related to T/R switching, Tn degradation of the receiver, etc, get a lot more tractable than one might suppose. At Arecibo, the S-band radar was intended solely for long

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread ew via time-nuts
During my days at UTC I was among other things responsible for our Industrial Laser Group. We sold some 50 KW CW CO2 lasers! We had the only aero dynamic window that allowed  a vacuum on one side. When not in use you put a pencil through it. Patented.                                             

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/31/2021 11:57 AM, Lux, Jim wrote: In some ways it's like high power laser labs. It's not the direct beam you worry about - nobody is going to put their hand in the beam path. It's the stray reflection when something gets bumped and falls across the optical bench and reflects a stray

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Lux, Jim
On 3/31/21 11:33 AM, Wes wrote: On 3/30/2021 4:33 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes It's all about EIRP, baby. I know they're talking about half a

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker] On 3/30/2021 4:33 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: > On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: >> You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. >> 70m. >> >> Obviously a BIG differ

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-31 Thread Wes
On 3/30/2021 4:33 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes It's all about EIRP, baby. I know they're talking about half a megawatt for GB, but I don't see

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Lux, Jim
On 3/30/21 5:58 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote: Jim, how large is the Goldstone antenna to which you referred? 70 meters. They do bistatic radar with Tx at Goldstone and Rx at Green Bank (and Arecibo, when it was live). What Arecibo had was a monster UHF transmitter (420 MHz) - DSN has big S-band

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Lux, Jim
On 3/30/21 5:42 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: What *is* a challenge (and hasn't really been solved) is how to do cryogenic feeds in mass production.  DSN looked at building an array of 100 receivers, and nobody would sign up to delivering 100 cryocoolers that would have sufficient MTBF.   But

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Dana Whitlow
Jim, how large is the Goldstone antenna to which you referred? Dana On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:01 PM Lux, Jim wrote: > On 3/30/21 6:40 AM, Wes wrote: > > Was a pity. China's FAST is receive only. I believe that leaves > > Green Bank as the biggest transmitting telescope. > > More likely the

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Jim, On 2021-03-31 01:33, Lux, Jim wrote: > On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: >> You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; >> 100m v. 70m. >> >> Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. >> >> Wes > > > It's all about EIRP, baby. > > I know they're talking about half a

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Lux, Jim
On 3/30/21 2:56 PM, Wes wrote: You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes It's all about EIRP, baby. I know they're talking about half a megawatt for GB, but I don't see it happening. They've spent so much

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Wes
You would know better than I, but I was thinking of physical size; 100m v. 70m. Obviously a BIG difference in TX power. Wes On 3/30/2021 2:00 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: On 3/30/21 6:40 AM, Wes wrote: Was a pity.  China's FAST is receive only.  I believe that leaves Green Bank as the biggest

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Lux, Jim
On 3/30/21 6:40 AM, Wes wrote: Was a pity.  China's FAST is receive only.  I believe that leaves Green Bank as the biggest transmitting telescope. More likely the Goldstone Solar System Radar function of DSN on the 70m (DSS-14) - 500kW in X band at 8560 MHz There *is* a new transmitter for

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Tim Shoppa
I see several parallels between Arecibo's construction vs its actual use, and GPS deployment vs actual use. Arecibo was actually built using ARPA and US Navy funding as a way of conducting ionospheric research - to benefit military communication over radio and develop over the horizon radar

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Wes
Was a pity.  China's FAST is receive only.  I believe that leaves Green Bank as the biggest transmitting telescope. I remember 417s.  I had them in a copy of a design by W2AZL.  I also had a two-meter preamp I designed using 416Bs.  Of course uW cooled preamps are not unusual now, but back

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Tom Holmes
: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker] Hi Based on what’s known publicly, the gear that was not destroyed is still siting there waiting for a decision about “what’s next”. There are a lot of ideas kicking around. Bob > On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:06 AM, ew

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Dana Whitlow
Arecibo's long-standing maser (Symmetricom MHM-2010) died right at the end of 2018. In communications with the mfr it came to pass that "repair" was deemed to be economically infeasible. so the observatory fell back on a FS725 locked to PPS from a CNS Clock II, both of which I had purchased a few

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Based on what’s known publicly, the gear that was not destroyed is still siting there waiting for a decision about “what’s next”. There are a lot of ideas kicking around. Bob > On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:06 AM, ew via time-nuts > wrote: > > GOOD Morning Tom

[time-nuts] Re: The Collapse of Puerto Rico’s Iconic Telescope [April 5th, 2021 New Yorker]

2021-03-30 Thread ew via time-nuts
GOOD Morning Tom                                                                                                                                                       Thank you for the super information Read it over and over. To me no joy, sadness for Astronomy, Science, Puerto Rico and the US.