Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread djl
NIST is running a bluff. It may not work. On 2018-08-20 15:39, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: It's worse than that, not just WWV, WWVH, but also WWVB: This is an exact quote from page NIST-25 of the proposed FY2019 NIST budget: "NIST will discontinue the dissemination of the U.S. time and

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread Tom Holmes
NOST has seemingly been wanting to cut out WWVx for years. Recall a survey they took maybe ten years ago on this subject. They got an earful about why they should not cut it; this time they aren't bothering to ask. >From Tom Holmes, N8ZM > On Aug 20, 2018, at 6:12 PM, djl wrote: > > NIST is

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread jimlux
On 8/20/18 4:17 PM, ew via time-nuts wrote: They're cutting a lot more than WWV/WWVH/WWVB - they're cutting 300+ folks in the labs doing all sorts of things. Download the doc that Rick posted the link to, go to page NIST-24 and start reading.. I don't know enough about how the labs are or

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
To All, OK - I'll throw this out there - What if we do something with AREDN and establish our own service? We won't need 'cloud burners' to do an approach that way; and we will be able to solve two problems at once. For those that may not be aware, AREDN info can be found here: https://www.are

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread Ruslan Nabioullin
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:38 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: > To All, > > OK - I'll throw this out there - > > What if we do something with AREDN and establish our own service? We won't > need 'cloud burners' to do an approach that way; and we will be able to > solve two problems at once.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Ruslan, It's a start. Of course GPS constellation down-links are our source; at least a primary source. Like I said, something to think about. Some call this a possible business opportunity I would think. We can solve the problem; but the issue is how can you replace something like what NIST ha

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut

2018-08-20 Thread Bob Martin
Hi, At Sam Steins retirement gathering last week I asked him about the proposed funding cut. Sam once worked at NIST and had responsibilities in that area. His opinion was that NIST would "dearly like to eliminate those services". It may be more a case of NIST using the budget cuts to fur

[time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
It's worse than that, not just WWV, WWVH, but also WWVB: This is an exact quote from page NIST-25 of the proposed FY2019 NIST budget: "NIST will discontinue the dissemination of the U.S. time and frequency via the NIST radio stations in Hawaii and Ft. Collins, CO. These radio stations trans

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, if it really does include WWVB, that gets a lot of mom and pop voters angry. Bob > On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist > wrote: > > It's worse than that, not just WWV, WWVH, but also WWVB: > > This is an exact quote from page NIST-25 of the proposed FY2019 NIST budge

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Ruslan Nabioullin
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > > Hi > > Ok, if it really does include WWVB, that gets a lot of mom and pop voters > angry. > > Bob Not that it'll make a diff, but: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh . At least there's still CH

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Peter Monta
> It's worse than that, not just WWV, WWVH, but also WWVB: > Just as idle speculation, I wonder how many time-nuts it would take to maintain WWVB service. One in each large city, perhaps, running a few milliwatts into a long wire, driven from a suitable GNSS-to-WWVB bridge. The domain edges might

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi At least based on conversations with people who have done it …. The electric bill for a high power transmitting setup is a bit exciting. After that, maintenance on the antennas cost more than one might think. It actually can be hazardous ( = I know of a friend who lost a crew member doing

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Ruslan Nabioullin
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > At least based on conversations with people who have done it …. The electric > bill for a > high power transmitting setup is a bit exciting. After that, maintenance on > the antennas > cost more than one might think. It actually can be hazardou

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread ew via time-nuts
Cutting WWVB the public has to ask why a NIST Tme and Frequency Division has to exist. Fighting with other countries as to who has the best precise frequency source will not go well with the public when clocks, school zone lights and watches quit working. Remember what happened in Japan when Fuk

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB funding cut (was: Re: NIST FY 2019 Budget Would Eliminate WWV and WWVH)

2018-08-20 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
President Trump better think twice before approving this budget. Without a time reference, how will his golf courses get watered on time?? Glenn WB4UIV On 8/20/2018 7:17 PM, ew via time-nuts wrote: Cutting WWVB the public has to ask why a NIST Tme and Frequency Division has to exist. Fighting