[time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread Lifespeed
Hi Time Nuts, I have a need for a low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz. I have tried some off-the-shelf 50 ohm amplifiers, the best of which degrades phase noise by a couple dB. I'm working with a signal with -172dBc/Hz PN, so not much tolerance for degradation he

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread jimlux
On 1/9/20 5:38 PM, Lifespeed wrote: Hi Time Nuts, I have a need for a low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz. I have tried some off-the-shelf 50 ohm amplifiers, the best of which degrades phase noise by a couple dB. I'm working with a signal with -172dBc/Hz PN,

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread Lifespeed
-Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of jimlux Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:02 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz So you've tried something

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
That's not possible at room temperature since thermal noise will limit the residual PN to -180DbC/Hz with a noiseless amplifier and a +3dBm input. Bruce > On 10 January 2020 at 14:38 Lifespeed wrote: > > > Hi Time Nuts, > > > > I have a need for a low phase noise, noise floor and noise fi

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 10.01.20 um 03:01 schrieb jimlux: On 1/9/20 5:38 PM, Lifespeed wrote: Hi Time Nuts, I have a need for a low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz.  I have tried some off-the-shelf 50 ohm amplifiers, the best of which degrades phase noise by a couple dB.  I'm workin

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-09 Thread John Miles
> Any suggestions on topologies, transistors, white papers, etc? I'm > considering the NXP BFU590Q silicon bipolar transistor, which I have used in > a transformer feedback configuration at 100MHz with less than -180dBc/Hz > PN. You could take a look at the approach behind the option-K22 amplifie

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-10 Thread Leon Pavlovic
o: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'" < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:23:23 -0800 > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure > amplifier at 400MHz > > Any su

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-10 Thread Lifespeed
-Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 10:23 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure am

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
ecise time and frequency measurement'" < > > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:23:23 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure > > amplifier at 400MHz > > > Any s

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
I think one should recall that for very deep phase-noise numbers for far-out noise, we cannot remove the suspicion of cross-correlation cancellation problems have overstated the phase-noise levels. I've seen both instrument makers and oscillator makes handwaving to protect the values which so far i

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Patrick Murphy
Magnus, Well you kindly explain what you mean by your comment "I've seen both instrument makers and oscillator makes handwaving to protect the values which so far is understood to be non-physical." , especially the non-physical part. While I can keep up with a lot of the discussions here, I will

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Patrick, I try to share what I have learned as generously as others before me have done. Somewhere along the line I transitioned from noob to actually know something and now, well, I can't claim complete lack of knowledge anymore. But, I enjoy the many questions, as it forces me to think, think an