[Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Venkat Manoj
Hi all,   Can anybody tell me if there is some relation between the link quality indiactor (LQI) and the probability of packet loss, between two motes? Or is there some method to find out the relation?   Thanks, Venkat.___ Tinyos-help mailing list Tinyos-

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Prabal Dutta
Yes, there is *some* relation: they're positively correlated. But on the CC2420 radio, LQI shows significant variance for a given packet reception rate (PRR). You may be much better off using RSSI, which shows far less variance for a given PRR. You can use (logistic) regression to determine the

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Robert Szewczyk
There is a graph that shows a dependence between distance and PRR, LQI, and RSSI in the paper about Telos design (figure 5 in http://www.polastre.com/papers/spots05-telos.pdf) While it does not actually show the regression, and distance is made explicit, it should at least give you a flavor of wha

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Prabal Dutta
The Telos graphs are nice in that they show the relationship between some of these variables but some mental gymnastics are required to make the leap from what's shown to PRR vs RSSI and PRR vs LQI. And, given the variances involved, I'm not sure that everyone would come to the same conclusion.

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Robert Szewczyk
You're correct that the distance is just introducing confusion into this discussion, it would have been much better to do plots of PPR v LQi and PPR v. RSSI. I would disagree however with your characterization that RSSI has a better correlation with PPR (and you have not presented any actual data

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Prabal Dutta
Actually, Rob, I think we're both right (and wrong). If you look at the Telos data, RSSI shows much lower variance and much greater range for short distances whereas LQI shows comparable variance but greater range for medium and longer distances. If distance approximates PRR, then RSSI would be

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-09 Thread Robert Szewczyk
On 5/9/06, Prabal Dutta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, Rob, I think we're both right (and wrong). If you look at the Telos data, RSSI shows much lower variance and much greater range for short distances whereas LQI shows comparable variance but greater range for medium and longer distances

Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss

2006-05-10 Thread Venkat Manoj
TED]>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:19:59 AMSubject: Re: [Tinyos-help] LQI and probability of packet loss Hi Venkat,We don't have a good equation and I'm not sure that it will be thatsimple because of the variances involved (these measures are allstatistical).  Instead, what seems more