Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread jim guinee
Who is training the counselors? Shouldn't they be able to recognize BS? And, if you need to be hospitalized, think about the training of nurses. "Forget the defibrillator, I am fixing the patient's energy field." Michael T. Scoles, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology & Counseling Universi

Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread jim guinee
Subject: From: "Annette Taylor, Ph. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, some weird stuff goes on in those colleges north of the border! I am frustrated enough at some of the stuff goes on here, such as the counseling center using hte MBTI to help students pick a career path Jim Guinee says: Unfortun

Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
What does one say when given such an abstract? I'm getting the feeling this will be an uphill battle...! Chris Green, this is your time for the spotlight! Please give me ammo for criticism! ;-) And this was even done by a department of psychology... Any of these authors on this list by any c

Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
Wow! This is becoming quite the topic at my College... I've actually written a short email to our College administrator, who said it was "above him", so he sent my email back the the counsellor in charge. She then called me to reply to that email, and specifically said that she did not want the

Re: Old books

2005-08-31 Thread Rick Stevens
This is a post from Christopher Green, posted by way of me (Rick Stevens). Original Message Rick Stevens wrote: > I have seen references to a child-rearing book by Watson Watson & Rayner (1928). Psychological Care of Infant and Child. Norton. > and a self-help book (possibly

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Don Allen
Hi Jean-Marc- The answer to the question "well, what harm can this possibly do?" is as follows: By allowing students to go through College without critically thinking about purported "cures" and "treatments" means that they will have no way of effectively differentiating real treatment from snake

RE: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Marc Carter
I would echo Paul's comment; opportunity costs are usually hidden, but when you think of them, they often matter a great deal. -Original Message- From: Paul Brandon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:20 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: Re

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Marie Helweg-Larsen
Here is an article on Trudeau and his book (from the Sunday NY Times) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/business/media/28trudeau.html Marie Steven Specht wrote: Indeed. I am assuming that folks have seen Trudeau's latest effort in writing a book about natural cures for virtually everything

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher D. Green
Jean-Marc Perreault wrote: I've really enjoyed the discussion so far. And I would like to ask you further: What are the possible negative conseqences to actually engaging in a few sessions of HT? Granted that the HT practionners do not attempt to "fix" anything major, which is what

healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Gerald Peterson
Jean-Marc, I think you are on the right track. Keep the issue an emphasis on values of reason and education that the institution should be modelling. Respectfully, express the importance of evidence based practices, careful reasoning guidelines of the sort we would expect our students to acqu

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Steven Specht
Indeed. I am assuming that folks have seen Trudeau's latest effort in writing a book about natural cures for virtually everything... that "they" don't want you to know about. I saw somewhere that it was the #2 book on some best seller list. I believe that this is a result of the social conseq

RE: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread DeVolder Carol L
Perhaps it is impossible to separate the placebo effect, but since it is a component of all treatments, it should be possible to factor it out (I am not a statistition, so forgive me if I use terms incorrectly). I can't help but wonder what IRBs would have to say about it. I mean, if the HT pract

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
I find what you say to be very interesting, but how does one leave out the placebo effect? It's like talking about drinking wine and it's effects on health, alcohol notwithstanding... I'm not a placebo specialist, but it seems like an impossible task to separate the placebo from any treatment a

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Marie Helweg-Larsen
I agree with all the earlier costs mentioned. A broader societal cost is that we spend vast amount of resources on ineffective methods. There is always some idea that remedy X might work for ailment Y and always an advocate who claims that it worked for them. The amount of BS is staggering. It

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
Good points Paul. This being said, as I mentioned, the services will be free both to the College and to the studetns. The argument that this is taking time away from the organizers is a good one though, one I hadn't thought about. As to whether there are better alternatives, well, there is cou

RE: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread DeVolder Carol L
It becomes even more costly when people begin to treat it as a bona fide treatment and replace other potentially successful interventions with ones that have no scientific merit. Inviting practioners of HT to a campus appears to give it credibility. Is it right to offer false hope (the placebo effe

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Steven Specht
The "harm" may come from the fact that students (or whoever) will see this "therapy" as a replacement for something more scientifically/empirically-based. That's also true for placebo effects and for faith as well (ask a Christian Scientist). On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Jean-Marc Perreault wr

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Paul Brandon
At 10:14 AM -0700 8/31/05, Jean-Marc Perreault wrote: Hi Marie, I've really enjoyed the discussion so far. And I would like to ask you further: What are the possible negative conseqences to actually engaging in a few sessions of HT? Granted that the HT practionners do not attempt t

Re: healing touch

2005-08-31 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
Hi Marie, I've really enjoyed the discussion so far. And I would like to ask you further: What are the possible negative conseqences to actually engaging in a few sessions of HT? Granted that the HT practionners do not attempt to "fix" anything major, which is what they said they w

Old books

2005-08-31 Thread Rick Stevens
I have see references to a child-rearing book by Watson and a self-help book (possibly the first) by Horney.  I've never see the titles mentioned.  Does anyone know if they are available at all or even what the titles are so that one could check the online old book services? I did check the Cl

RE: males on campus?

2005-08-31 Thread Rick Froman
Christopher D. Green quotes, "The reality, however, is that today's male undergraduates face problems at least as severe as those faced by the female students of thirty or forty years ago. " Christopher D. Green writes: "The difference, of course, is that 30 or 40 years ago, young women were di

Re: tips digest: August 30, 2005

2005-08-31 Thread Esther Yoder Strahan
OK, Gary, I know you were writing tongue in cheek, but given greater evidence of the biological mechanisms by which a placebo exerts its effect, you may have made a good point you did not intend. There are lots of "credible" medical interventions (e.g. arthroscopic surgery for rheumatic knee pa

Honor Among Thieves

2005-08-31 Thread Paul Smith
When I did a search on "classic papers in psychology" one of the "sponsored links" on Google was an ad for "Non-plagiarized paper". Apparently when you buy a term paper over the internet, it comes with a guarantee that it is free of plagiarism (see below, from "qualitytermpapers.net"). I can im

Re: males on campus?

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher D. Green
michael sylvester wrote: We don't need no education (Pink Floyd) Man, are you O-o-o-o-old! :-) -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-5115 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo --- You are currently su

Re: males on campus?

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher D. Green
Gerald Peterson wrote: A thought-provoking commentary on the problems of males in schools can be found at the Irascible Professor blog. [] http://irascibleprofessor.com/comments-08-28-05.htm It strikes me as tendentious and misguided. He writes, "The reality, however, is that today's

Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread Paul Brandon
Title: Re: Healing Touch for Everyone... At 9:17 AM -0400 8/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/30/05 7:50:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To me, the more interesting question is if there's any way we can bridge the gap between 'us and them' without bein

Re: Cross-dressing day in class

2005-08-31 Thread Steven Specht
Michael, I think it's a bad idea for a number of reasons. First of all, I question whether this strategy would increase gender sensitivity (i.e., what rationale would you pose that would suggest that such a strategy would be effective?). Secondly, if you're proposing that there are gender norm

Re: Cross-dressing day in class

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher D. Green
michael sylvester wrote: In order to increase gender sensitivity,I am toying with the idea of a cross-dressing day in class.Students will be asked to come to class dressed in the apparel of the opposite sex,but they will not be allowed to use the restrooms on campus.Is this a good idea or bad

Re: males on campus?

2005-08-31 Thread michael sylvester
-- Original Message -- From: "Gerald Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:21:29 -0400 > A thought-provoking commentary on the problems of males in schools can be > found at the Irasc

Cross-dressing day in class

2005-08-31 Thread michael sylvester
In order to increase gender sensitivity,I am toying with the idea of a cross-dressing day in class.Students will be asked to come to class dressed in the apparel of the opposite sex,but they will not be allowed to use the restrooms on campus.Is this a good idea or bad idea? Send me something.

Re: Clinical work

2005-08-31 Thread Gerald Peterson
I didn't take it as an anti clinical bias, but rather as a comment about the kind of education believed present in many clinical/counseling programs. Of course I am sure there are some clinoid programs that offer a science emphasis where evidence-based practice is stressed. Clinical workers m

males on campus?

2005-08-31 Thread Gerald Peterson
A thought-provoking commentary on the problems of males in schools can be found at the Irascible Professor blog. I am beginning to see a few more males in my psych classes recently. The most, around 30, are in Gen Psych of course (N=120) I have one in my lab class (N=12)and three in my Pe

Re: Healing Touch for Everyone...

2005-08-31 Thread Rikikoenig
In a message dated 8/30/05 7:50:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To me, the more interesting question is if there's anyway we can bridge the gap between 'us and them' without beingcondescending or cause unnecessary conflict.  I tend to think there's notmuch hop