Re: [tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-16 Thread Jim Clark
Hi A directional test is based on the expectation for a particular hypothesis and does NOT state that the opposite pattern could NEVER occur even with other confounding factors, as in the therapeutic touch example. You state that in fact detection can occur under the conditions stated, which I

Re: [tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-16 Thread sblack
On 13 Jan 2009 at 16:52, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: >> Presumably, doing worse than chance would be meaningless. Out of the 280 > trials provided by the practitioners, they guessed correctly 123 times, 44%. > Obviously, this was a result in the opposite direction of the one tailed > test and is not

Re: [tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-14 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
By the way, lest anyone be confused by my post, I am not a promoter of Therapeutic Touch or similar. It is entirely bogus in my view. We were just surprised that the findings did not represent the detection rate of hands that would be expected due to normal sensing of the warmth of hands at a dist

Re: [tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-13 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
I'll grant you that these examples appear quite reasonable to be one tailed tests. And, I'll describe another that appears, also, to be reasonably one tailed test and was published that way. Some of you may remember the study of Therapeutic Touch done by a 13 year old (at the time) young girl and

Re: [tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-11 Thread Jim Clark
Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Department of Psychology University of Winnipeg Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 CANADA >>> "Wuensch, Karl L" 11-Jan-09 10:57 AM >>> First, a trivial point. The F test employed in traditional ANO

[tips] Directional hypotheses (was ANOVA question)

2009-01-11 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
First, a trivial point. The F test employed in traditional ANOVA is a one-tailed test -- regardless of the ordering of the differences among the group means, greater differences lead to a larger F. Accordingly, it is a one-tailed, upper-tailed, test. It could be done as a lower-tailed t