RE: [tips] Eurocentric?

2009-08-13 Thread Stuart McKelvie
-Original Message- From: John Kulig [mailto:ku...@mail.plymouth.edu] Sent: August 13, 2009 1:05 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Eurocentric? And to cover the other european intelligence test, Wechsler defines it as "the aggr

Re: [tips] Eurocentric?

2009-08-13 Thread John Kulig
y Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 -- - Original Message - From: "Stuart McKelvie" To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:13:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips

RE: [tips] Eurocentric?

2009-08-13 Thread Louis Schmier
Except, Stuart, the prevailing European "white man's burden" view of the time, backed up by the science of the time, did not accord these intelligence faculties to non-Europeans. And, if it did, it did not recognize anything approaching an equality of capacity and potential of non-Europeans to E

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-12 Thread Allen Esterson
���Michael Sylvester wrote: >One way to look at a non-Eurocentric approach is to consider the example of intelligence. Intelligence to me is the ability to adapt to "existing" environments and should not be confined to what was deemed as intelligence by a few European based scholars.< I agree

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-12 Thread michael sylvester
- Original Message - From: Bourgeois, Dr. Martin To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric I don't believe that I've ever met a scientist who thinks that scie

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Smith
Allen wrote in response to my response of Allen's response to Michael Sylvester (Common sense has a lot going for it) >Of course it has – but in terms of understanding the natural world in >its widest sense, other people, other cultures, etc, it also has severe >limitations Of course we haven't de

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-12 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
My friend Michael wrote under the >Subject: Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric "...the Eurocentric approach to intelligence has and continues to emphasize performance on paper-pencil tests and other verbal and non-verbal performances with underlying competencies.Competencies

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-12 Thread Allen Esterson
Michael Sylvester writes: This emphasis on quantification has really created the impression that without quantication other forms of intelligence may be suspect. Imteresting enough, there has been the non_Eurocentric of the notion of multiple intelligences de-emphasing quantification and placing

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread michael sylvester
Then why don't you explain it in non-Eurocentric terms? Or are you saying it is not anything that can be put into words? Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org One way to look at a non-Eurocentric approach is to consider the examp

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Allen Esterson
Michael Sylvester wrote The non-Eurocentric predominates because human culture is much more than the relationships between measurable variables. The Eurocentric perspective remains obstinate and obdurate despite the common sense of culture, religion and other factors that propels human stabilit

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Allen Esterson
���Michael Smith wrote in reply to my posting below: >I think common sense has a lot going for it. Of course it has – but in terms of understanding the natural world in its widest sense, other people, other cultures, etc, it also has severe limitations. Mike then provided instances where >No

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Michael Smith
>Looking at human history I see the "common sense" of culture and >religion as much a source of dissension as of "human stability". But >perhaps Michael means individual human stability, in which case, yes, >culture and religion play a strong role in that. But I would say at >some cost, e.g., in pr

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Allen Esterson
���Michael Sylvester wrote: >The Eurocentric perspective remains obstinate and obdurate despite >the common sense of culture, religion and other factors that propels >human stability. Looking at human history I see the "common sense" of culture and religion as much a source of dissension as of "h

Re: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
Non-Eurocentric michael sylvester" wrote: > > Please note that it is not > possible to explain the non-Eurocentric within a > Eurocentric framework. > Reminds me of the "Personal Growth" days where we were all told, "I can't explain it to you, you have to experience it." The difference

RE: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread Bourgeois, Dr. Martin
t 11, 2009 11:36 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric The Eurocentric perspective emphasizes scientific and experimental methodology as the means to arrive ata certain truth.The non-Eurocentric predominates because human culture is much

[tips] Eurocentric/non-Eurocentric

2009-08-11 Thread michael sylvester
The Eurocentric perspective emphasizes scientific and experimental methodology as the means to arrive ata certain truth.The non-Eurocentric predominates because human culture is much more than the relationships between measurable variables.The Eurocentric perspective remains obstinate and obdur

[tips] Eurocentric, shmerocentric

2008-05-19 Thread sblack
Michael Sylvester has been often derided here for his claims against Eurocentric priority for scientific/medical knowledge. But see the Robert Wilkins (1964) essay on the Edwin Smith papyrus (17th century, B.C.) we were recently pointed to by Mike Williams ( It's at http://www.neurosurgery.org/