RE: [tips] Identical twins

2008-03-21 Thread Tollefsrud, Linda
Stephen said, and we'll skip the obligatory sexist joke for now, There is also a less exotic example of mosaicism than true hermaphroditism. Only one of the pair of X-chromosomes found in every somatic cell of normal women functions, the other being randomly X- inactivated. This means that a

[tips] Identical twins

2008-03-20 Thread sblack
This one, I hope will prove less controversial than the What is a Jew? thread I inadvertently started. Who knew? Ed Pollak said: As I suspected, something not mentioned in the NYT article is the fact that these copy number variations (CNVs) represent a genetic mosaic. They exist only in some

Re:[tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Allen Esterson
On 18 March 2008 Chris Green wrote: Have you been teaching your students that identical (monozygotic) twins have identical genes? Turns out that's not correct. See this NYT article: http://tinyurl.com/33m4c3 To which Tim responded: [...] An important difference, yes. But a *big* difference? :)

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Christopher D. Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Chris's posting of the NY Times article on genetic differences between MZ twins, it seems to me (if I've got the logic right) that it carries with it an important conclusion for the use of twin studies in psychology. When considering characteristics of MZ

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread sblack
On 19 Mar 2008 at 8:57, Christopher D. Green wrote: It's a whole new game out there and our old claims about the effects of genes will soon look very much like our old claims about the effects of phrenology -- based on a deep misunderstanding of the ways in which things actually work.

[tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Pollak, Edward
As I suspected, something not mentioned in the NYT article is the fact that these copy number variations (CNVs) represent a genetic mosaic. They exist only in some tissues and not in others and represent copy errors during embryonic development. Something analogous is responsible for true

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Brandon
At 9:48 AM -0500 3/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Mar 2008 at 8:57, Christopher D. Green wrote: It's a whole new game out there and our old claims about the effects of genes will soon look very much like our old claims about the effects of phrenology -- based on a deep

RE: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Paul Brandon
At 10:35 PM -0500 3/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Mar 2008 at 20:50, FRANTZ, SUE wrote: I'm surprised that the article mentioned repeats without mentioning Huntington's disease. Speaking of which, there's a new and rather unusual article on the topic: Ringman, J. (2007). The

Re:[tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Robin Musselman
In shared the NY Times article with a colleague from our biology department and received this response. I thought it interesting enough to share with this group... Interestingly, I had been told this by a researcher some years ago, but could never find confirmation in texts. He said that a

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Doris Vasconcellos
Olha so esta! - Original Message - From: Joan Warmbold To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [tips] Identical twins? Keep in mind that schizophrenia is also influenced by the amount of stress a child

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-19 Thread Christopher Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Mar 2008 at 8:57, Christopher D. Green wrote: It's a whole new game out there and our old claims about the effects of genes will soon look very much like our old claims about the effects of phrenology -- based on a deep misunderstanding of the ways in

RE: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread Shearon, Tim
; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 3/17/2008 10:50 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Identical twins? Have you been teaching your

RE: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread Paul Brandon
At 2:50 AM -0500 3/18/08, Shearon, Tim wrote: Chris- It is interesting indeed. But, truth be told, I don't really feel that I understand it - certainly not from what is presented here. I haven't read the research (oops. Another press conference before the article?)- if I can! I think it would

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread Don Allen
Chris- This certainly seems interesting and could help explain a lot of puzzling differences that we sometime see in identical (e.g. one develops schizophrenia and one does not, one ends up gay and the other straight etc.) Since this is not my field I'm not completely sure how to

Re: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread Joan Warmbold
Keep in mind that schizophrenia is also influenced by the amount of stress a child experiences in early childhood. I'm an identical twin and our early experiences differed significantly as one became the dominant one as well as more outgoing than the other--such being my twin (Jean--get it, Jean

RE: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread FRANTZ, SUE
I'm surprised that the article mentioned repeats without mentioning Huntington's disease. See this story for example: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9501E4DD1630F93BA25750C0A9619C8B63 As interesting as this finding is, epigenetics still leads, in my mind, as having the

RE: [tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-18 Thread sblack
On 18 Mar 2008 at 20:50, FRANTZ, SUE wrote: I'm surprised that the article mentioned repeats without mentioning Huntington's disease. Speaking of which, there's a new and rather unusual article on the topic: Ringman, J. (2007). The Huntington disease of Woody Guthrie: another man done

[tips] Identical twins?

2008-03-17 Thread christo
Have you been teaching your students that identical (monozygotic) twins have identical genes? Turns out that's not correct. See this NYT article: http://tinyurl.com/33m4c3 Chris Green York U. Toronto, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly