RE: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-07 Thread Stephen Black
I wrote Given some hints in Leibovici's background, my guess is that this is a deliberate hoax (note its presence in the special Christmas issue of BMJ) intended to provoke discussion. Yet I don't think he falsified data. So how did he do it? [editing out an annoying typo in my own

RE: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-07 Thread Paul Smith
Stephen Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And Paul Smith replied: Run the randomization over and over again until you get the results you want? With retroactive prayer, that'd be pretty easy to do, right? Well, that would be dishonest, wouldn't it? I think we should be reluctant

On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-06 Thread Stephen Black
(And in the evening too). Alerted by an astute and watchful colleague, I bring to your attention recent essays on the disturbing implications of the infamous prayer improves in vitro fertilization rate study published in the _Journal of Reproductive Medicine_ in 2001, which we've discussed

RE: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-06 Thread Paul Smith
Stephen Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Given some hints in Leibovici's background, my guess is that this is a deliberate hoax (note its presence in the special Christmas issue of BMJ) intended to provoke discussion. Yet I don't think he falsified data. So how he did he do it? Run

RE: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-06 Thread Rick Froman
in the Psychological Sciences Subject: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning But I still wonder about the one published in the British Medical Journal (Leibovici, L. (2001). Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection

Re: On the efficacy of prayer: red flags in the morning

2005-04-06 Thread Marie Helweg-Larsen
Lenore I don't think they say anything about that being significant. They are saying that there were no difference in mortality rates but there were differences in duration of fever and length of hospital stay. At least that's how I read it - two sig. results, one non-sig result. So maybe the