Re: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Diana Kyle
Tipsters, I don't have the Plotnik text, but wanted to make several general comments anyway in response to these complaints. I, too, find the comments disturbing (to say the least).First, I would critique the research he's using to support for his remarks. The quotes in the post suggest

FW: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Beth Benoit
Title: FW: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs -- From: Beth Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs Date: Sun, May 16, 1999, 4:15 PM -- From: Beth Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: FW: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Johnna K. Shapiro
At 4:16 PM -0400 5/16/99, Beth Benoit wrote: It has occurred to me that all the talk about the Columbine tragedy has resulted in a discussion that could never take place on the subject of another violent act: date rape. Most of the Columbine discussion centers on what we could have done

Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Diana Kyle
Hi Tipsters, Just to set the records straight, I know Plotnik's text must include discussion on the scientific method. This was a snippy comment that perhaps was misunderstood. My apologies to the group. Regarding Beth's comments, I agree we should do all we can to prevent date rape. On

Re: FW: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Linda M. Woolf
Beth Benoit wrote: If there ARE things we can teach women to do to help them avoid date rape, should we opt NOT to teach them, so that we don't tread on the hallowed ground of victim-blaming? This seems to be sophistic, at best. The problem with the Plotnik text as presented was not that

Re: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs

1999-05-16 Thread Beth Benoit
Title: Re: Plotnik text and date rape paragraphs Linda Woolf wrote: The problem with the Plotnik text as presented was not that it provided some practical advice on situations that can put individuals at risk for date rape. Rather, the problem with the text was that this was all that was

Plotnik text and date rape

1999-05-16 Thread Miguel Roig
At 04:16 PM 5/16/99 -0400, you wrote:  I hope the male TIPS members will feel comfortable enough to comment on this subject without worrying that the females will flame them with "You can't begin to understand" Ok, here it goes. What concerns me about this thread is the apparent