Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-13 Thread Mark Sciutto
Jeff, I agree with several of the previous posts regarding the integration of stats and methods.In many ways, I think it is a more important question than the order of the two courses. I've had the opportunity to teach stats and methods independently as well as integrated. My conclusion is th

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Jim Clark
Hi On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, G. Marc Turner wrote: > At SWT we do have stats as a pre-req for our Methods course. In theory I > can see why this is a good idea, though I have to admit I'm not sure about > the real benefit in practice. It seems like they forget almost everything > from stats before the

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Lonnie Yandell
We require students to take a statistics course from the Mathematics Department as a prerequisite to our research sequence. The math stat course has an algebra requirement. Our Research Methods I course covers typical subjects in research, with an emphasis on experimental designs. For the Research

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Jim Clark
Hi On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Jeff Ricker wrote: > My questions: Is statistics a prerequisite for research methods at your > school? What are the arguments in favor of this? What are the arguments > opposed to this? Yes statistics is a prerequisite, something that I argued very strongly for against th

RE: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Charles M. Huffman
Jeff, I would favor statistics as a prerequisite for a methods course. However, I teach a two-semester Research Methods and Statistics course that integrates statistics with methods and design. For example, after we explore the design of a simple experiment (one IV, two levels, one DV), we move

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Gerald Peterson
Jeff, we require statistics before experimental for the reasons you stated; that is, they are expected to conduct a research project, analyze their data, and write up their report/or present it. We have so much to cover in experimental, we cannot spend time teaching stats. In addition,

RE: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Stephen M. Smith
>= Original Message From Jeff Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >My questions: Is statistics a prerequisite for research methods at your >school? What are the arguments in favor of this? What are the arguments >opposed to this? Here, it is a prerequisite only for Psych majors. Non-psych majors can e

RE: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Dr. Kristina Lewis
Here statistics is integrated into a two semester research methods course. There is no other statistics requirement, although I encourage my advisees to take statistics as their math course for liberal studies. Kris Lewis Saint Michael's College Colchester VT

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread G. Marc Turner
At SWT we do have stats as a pre-req for our Methods course. In theory I can see why this is a good idea, though I have to admit I'm not sure about the real benefit in practice. It seems like they forget almost everything from stats before they get into my Methods course... perhaps I just feel lik

RE: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Paul C. Smith
Mike Scoles wrote: > We have stat as a prereq to methods. At times, I have thought that it > should be the other way around. Having exposure to research > designs first would provide greater relevance to statistial analysis of > those designs. I have the luxury of having my cake and eat

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Steven Specht
We too, have stats as a prerequisite for methods here at UC. I concur with Mike's sentiments below. Mike Scoles wrote: > Jeff - > > We have stat as a prereq to methods. At times, I have thought that it > should be the other way around. Having exposure to research designs first > would provide

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Mike Scoles
Jeff - We have stat as a prereq to methods. At times, I have thought that it should be the other way around. Having exposure to research designs first would provide greater relevance to statistial analysis of those designs. On the other hand, if research is presented as an attempt to explain v

Re: Statistics needed for research methods?

2000-04-12 Thread Stuart Mckelvie
Dear Tipsters, In reply to Jeff, here is our sequence: Major Stats 1 (up to t-test, including chi-square), followed by Methods I Stats 2 (correlation, anova) taken with Methods 1 Honours Stats 1 followed by Methods 1 Stats 2 taken with Methods 1 Then Methods 2 Stats 3 (multivariate) for cert