My delete finger has been really smarting lately. I guess there are some discussions I have a hard time getting into. Well, perhaps I should contribute something. I have just received today a book by Michel Jouvet (1999; _The paradox of sleep: The story of dreaming_). Given the discussions we have had about NREM dreaming, I immediately went to the index to find his take on this controversy. He had the following to say: "I frankly support the theory that we do not dream all night, as do William Dement and Alan Hobson and most neurophysiologists. I am rather surprised that publications about dream recall during slow wave sleep increase in number each year. Further, the classic distinction established in the 1960s between 'poor' dream recall, devoid of color and detail, during slow wave sleep, and 'rich' recall, full of color and detail, during paradoxical sleep, is beginning to disappear. I believe that dream recall during slow wave sleep could be recall from previous paradoxical [REM] sleep. It is also probable that dreamlike activity may occur while falling asleep (stage 1) in some people. As waking consciousness fades away it may induce a dreamlike state akin to certain hypnotic hallucinations. Indeed, similar hallucinations can occur during some forms of anesthesia." (pp. 104-105) So, here we have another major sleep researcher dismissing the evidence for at least some NREM draming. As far as I can tell, this is the only place in the book he discussed the topic. Hmmmm. Thought you might like to know, Jeff Ricker Scottsdale Community College Scottsdale AZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]