Re:[tips] False memory strikes again

2012-02-27 Thread Allen Esterson
Stephen Black writes: >Mitt Romney claimed to be present at and remember a public >parade in Detroit which took place nine months before he was >born. OK, unless it was a fetal memory, a very early one. >http://snipurl.com/22dos24 Whether it was a false memory or "just more political BS" as sugges

Re: [tips] Don't You Hate Research That...

2012-02-27 Thread drnanjo
Pressure to publish or perish, perhaps? Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College Long Beach CA -Original Message- From: Michael Palij To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Michael Palij Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 5:44 pm Subject: [tips] Don't You Hate Research That...

Re: [tips] Don't You Hate Research That...

2012-02-27 Thread Brandon, Paul K
Not really Sometimes 'what everyone knows' just ain't so. Or is your tongue in cheek? On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Michael Palij wrote: > just provides results that everyone already knows? As one example, > see: > http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/02/27/greed/ > > And the abstract to the

[tips] Don't You Hate Research That...

2012-02-27 Thread Michael Palij
just provides results that everyone already knows? As one example, see: http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/02/27/greed/ And the abstract to the original research article is here: http://www.pnas.org/gca?allch=&submit=Go&gca=pnas%3B1118373109v1 One wonders why people even bother to do this kind

re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Michael Palij
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:31:02 -0800, Marie Helweg-Larsen wroteL >I have a simple statistical question. > >I have a sample of 307 people. 111 are in the red group and 196 are the >blue group. > >The correlation between variables x and y in the red group is r= .226 (n=111), >p <.05 and in the blue gr

Re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread John Kulig
OK, I think the mystery of Marie's data is solved. I was on the right track inititially. If you look at non-Smokers, notice the Y axis where ALL the data is above 2, going up to 5, and there is a slight positive correlation. Now take the smoker data and visually superimpose it or sketch it in.

RE:[tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Jim Clark
Hi In general, patterns that hold within groups need NOT hold between groups (problem of ecological correlations), which can also produce seeming paradoxes for within versus aggregate correlations, as in Marie's case. Note, for example, in the means that were posted, there is a strong negative

Re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread John Kulig
OOPS .. didn't see the scatterplot , just notice it, let me look == John W. Kulig, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Coordinator, University Honors Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 == - Original Message - From: "Arlie Belliv

Re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread John Kulig
One possibility (which is easily checked by examining the scatterplot of all data with the two groups visually coded) is this. In a scatterplot of all the data, lets say group 1's data shows a positive correlation, but most of the points are in the upper left quadrant. Group 2's data, which als

Re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Arlie Belliveau
Hi Marie, Have you calculated your effect sizes? It could be that the positive correlations of .23 and .16 are so small that, when the groups are combined, the error (or noise) turns them into negative correlations. At a glance, the scatter plots don't looks as though the relationships between var

RE:[tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Reaves, Celia (Psychology)
Marie said: Now what doesn't make sense to me that two groups individually have positive and significant correlations but the two groups combined can have a negative and significant correlation. Here is an example I used when teaching Methods to students in a Criminal Justice program. Imagine t

RE:[tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Helweg-Larsen, Marie
Doesn't look like there are outlier issues. Both X and Y are measured on 5 point scales. Here are the means and standard deviations: Descriptive Statisticsa Mean Std. Deviation N Var X 2.9469 .84347 113 Var Y 3.0952 .70281 112 a. Red Group Descriptive Statisticsa Mean Std. De

Re: [tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Hugh Foley
Rather than create an attachment, I'm providing a link to a handout for my stats class. It portrays how one could have a positive relationship in one group and a negative relationship in another group, but overall there would be a positive relationship. If you simply imagine the upper group (x v

RE:[tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Manza, Louis
Any outliers when the full set is combined? That has the possibility of changing the direction of the relationship. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Lou Manza Professor and Chair of Ps

[tips] Statistical question-correlations

2012-02-27 Thread Helweg-Larsen, Marie
I have a simple statistical question. I have a sample of 307 people. 111 are in the red group and 196 are the blue group. The correlation between variables x and y in the red group is r= .226 (n=111), p <.05 and in the blue group r=.164 (n=196), p<.05. However, when I run the correlation betwee

Re: [tips] False memory strikes again

2012-02-27 Thread Brandon, Paul K
A false memory, or just more political BS? On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:05 AM, wrote: > A good classroom example (a nod to the relevancy issue): > > Mitt Romney claimed to be present at and remember a public parade in > Detroit which took place nine months before he was born. OK, unless > it was a

[tips] False memory strikes again

2012-02-27 Thread sblack
A good classroom example (a nod to the relevancy issue): Mitt Romney claimed to be present at and remember a public parade in Detroit which took place nine months before he was born. OK, unless it was a fetal memory, a very early one. http://snipurl.com/22dos24 I note with modest pride that it