Re: [tips] Scientific method: Statistical errors : Nature News & Comment

2014-02-12 Thread John Kulig
Thanks Chris .. this is a terrific article and many undergrads can plow through it. I have gone back and forth on the p versus CI (which is simply rearranging the math) versus effect size issue and have come to the conclusion that we have to keep our options open and not use one rule to evaluat

RE: [tips] Scientific method: Statistical errors : Nature News & Comment

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Interesting article, although I need to think more about it. One obvious weakness is the old canard about effect size being a better indicator of importance than p value. The author uses the example of a divorce rate change being tiny: "meeting online nudged the divorce rate from 7.67% dow

[tips] Scientific method: Statistical errors : Nature News & Comment

2014-02-12 Thread Christopher Green
An interesting article about the problems of p-values that might even be understandable to undergraduates. http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Christopher Green
It seems to me that ,if you are one these people who takes IQ very seriously as a fixed, inherent quantity (like Eysenck, Jensen, Rushton, Murray, etc.) then this looks like an important finding. But, if you take IQ more pragmatically, as a mere test that allows one to predict (rather roughly)

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread John Kulig
This article is worth reading carefully IF you wanted to start untangling IQ, religiosity, academic disciplines etc ... I did a quick read, not enough to get it all, but enough to realize the importance of operational definitions. Much research is cited. There is also some interesting data to th

RE: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists

2014-02-12 Thread rfro...@jbu.edu
Mike Palij points out that Dutton would appear to have a major inconsistency to address in his theory (he seems to say, in different articles, that religiosity is both positively and negatively correlated with intelligence). If I were counseling a student about a direction to go in investigating

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Brandon
Applied programs are technology or engineering; they are based on science, but are not themselves science. And rather than talking about physical vs social sciences (or diseases), we should talk about what defines science and whether a given practice fits that definition. On Feb 12, 2014, at 10

RE: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists

2014-02-12 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:36:18 -0800, Rick Froman wrote: They didn't distinguish between physical and social scientists back then (or even have a concept of science) but, as to the correlation between intelligence and religiosity, the Apostle Paul would have felt vindicated by these results. In the

RE: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists

2014-02-12 Thread rfro...@jbu.edu
They didn't distinguish between physical and social scientists back then (or even have a concept of science) but, as to the correlation between intelligence and religiosity, the Apostle Paul would have felt vindicated by these results. In the first chapter of his first letter to the Corinthians,

RE: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Clark
Hi But is psychology a physical science or a social science or both??? And what about our applied programs ... clinical, school, organizational, ...? Take care Jim Jim Clark Professor & Chair of Psychology 204-786-9757 4L41A -Original Message- From: Christopher Green [mailto:chri...@y

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists

2014-02-12 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:08:47 -0800, John Kulig wrote: Hey does anybody have access to the full article? (I will subscribe if I can't get a copy any other way) A search through WorldCat does not identify any library that carries the journal. However, if you go to the journal that published the

RE: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Stuart McKelvie
Dear Tipsters, I have a copy of Ed Dutton's paper (sent from him), but he says that you can download it from the journal website by signing in (it is free). I hope to read the paper over the next couple of days. Sincerely, Stuart __

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread John Kulig
Hey does anybody have access to the full article? (I will subscribe if I can't get a copy any other way) Is it merely the fact that physical scientists, on average, have higher IQs (duh, more math!) and are also less religious (whatever that means) than other scientists? If so there are a host

Re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Brandon
This is news? On Feb 12, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Christopher Green wrote: > Let the games begin! > > http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/12/paper-says-physical-scientists-smarter-and-less-religious-social-scientists > > Chris Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State Unive

re: [tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists

2014-02-12 Thread Mike Palij
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 05:43:18 -0800, Christopher Green wrote: Let the games begin! http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/12/paper-says-physical-scientists-smarter-and-less-religious-social-scientists Anyone besides me think that it is ironic that social scientists authored the "research

[tips] Paper says physical scientists smarter and less religious than social scientists | Inside Higher Ed

2014-02-12 Thread Christopher Green
Let the games begin! http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/02/12/paper-says-physical-scientists-smarter-and-less-religious-social-scientists Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo --- You are c