[tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Annette Taylor
A college in our math department sent me this email today: I have been here for 31.5 years and the students are not getting any weaker or any stronger. The one trend I notice is that they are losing their intellectual curiosity. They care less and less about why. Do you know of any

Re: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Christopher Green
I’ve probably been too noisy of late, but I’ll give this one a shot (without benefit of citations, so take it for what it’s worth). I generally think that people who blame everything on the internet and video games are silly buggers, but in this case I’ll posit that students (and people in

Re: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread John Kulig
It is true there are too many distractions. Another speculation is that the lack of curiosity is simply passivity caused by the lower educational levels being overly structured with rubrics and outlines. My boys (one in HS another almost there) have very detailed instructions for coursework.

RE: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Stuart McKelvie
Dear Tipsters, Both Chris and John make interesting points. Perhaps I could add one more: sampling. Over the years, a greater proportion of high school graduates have been admitted to higher education. Perhaps the perceived decline in intellectual curiosity is related to that. Anecdotally, I

RE: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
I think yet another variable (I agree with what everyone has said so far by the way) is that students today don't necessarily view classes and professors as the place to satisfy their intellectual curiosity. Before the internet mass audience events were the place to satisfy curiosity (sure

RE: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Jim Clark
Hi There is that classic survey showing the changes in first year students values from developing a meaningful philosophy of life to more material concerns with financial matters. http://www.herinst.org/BusinessManagedDemocracy/culture/consumerism/materialism.html Perhaps related to

RE: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread John Kulig
Stuart, This is also true ... My better students are very very good. But we are going through a decline in enrollments and it looks we are letting in more students who struggle and it is those weaker students who color our perceptions of students in general. == John W.

RE: [tips] The decline of intellectual curiosity

2014-09-26 Thread Stuart McKelvie
Dear John, That makes sense in understanding our perception. We went through a similar experience a number of years ago. Then the university got serious about recruitment (hiring a qualified officer) and as enrolment improved, admission standards seemed to tighten again. To focus on these