Ha!! I had heard of this Yogic flying, but I don't recall ever seeing footage 
of this ability. Thanks for sharing the Youtube link, but I'll stick with 
walking. ;-) 

Seriously, I did a brief Google search and found some studies on mindfulness 
published in what I consider to be fairly good journals, like Psychological 
Science, PLOS I, Archives of General Psychiatry, and Annals of the NY Academy 
of Sciences. Admittedly, many others were published in journals that are 
unknown to me. But, your post seems to imply that 1) the relevant literature is 
published by meditation practitioners themselves and that b) most of it is 
substandard? Is there not a corpus of acceptable evidence showing some type of 
beneficial health outcomes? 

I'm just asking because I had been operating under the impression that 
mindfulness or other forms of meditation training had been shown to have 
beneficial health effects, such as stress reduction (originally described 
Philippe). Heck, the intro textbook I use (Nevid's) states that "Many healthy 
benefits are associated with the practice of meditation ... [it] also produces 
physical changes in the brain linked to improved memory and better regulation 
of emotional states". A few citations are given. So, I have to wonder, is there 
a consensus that the case for health benefits of meditation has been 
overstated? 

Miguel 


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Hi Miguel- 

In theory you are right. It is perfectly possible to do clean, unbiased 
research on TM. In practice, however, there is a problem (in general) with the 
work done by practitioners of TM as they make claims based on poorly designed 
studies. As an example please see: 
T.M. at Folsom Prison: a Critique of Abrams and Siegel. Don Allen, J. Crim. 
Just. Behav. Vol. 6 No. 1, March 1979. In their study A&S claimed that inmates 
who were trained to practice TM showed miraculous improvements in behaviour 
while incarcerated. However, they allowed inmates to self-select for the 
training and there was no waiting list control (or, indeed, any other form of 
control). The design was seriously flawed with EEE and SEE threats to internal 
validity. There were also serious statistical problems with their analyses. 
Sadly, their work is typical rather than exceptional. Not surprisingly, 
research done by individuals who are no TM practitioners and advocates fails to 
show the remarkable effects that the TM crowd reports. 

Remember, these are also the same people who believe in "Yogic Flying" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwhGUo90jw 

-Don. 
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Please forgive my ignorance of this topic, but what exactly is the concern with 
this type of research? It seems to me that it is entirely possible to carry out 
quality research on the effects of an induced mental state on a variety of 
health and other outcomes. How would such research be any different than, say, 
research on hypnotic techniques or drug-induced altered states of 
consciousness? Again, I am only vaguely familiar with the current research on 
meditation, but is there some sort of consensus that such research is of low 
quality? 


Miguel 

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Hi Philippe- 


Yes, It's sad that this stuff gets published. However, look at the source. This 
is the same "journal" that published an article showing the wonderful effects 
of Therapeutic Touch by LaFrenier et al. It was so bad that I regularly used it 
in my Research Methods class as an example of a seriously compromised design. 
The other problem appears to be that there are TM practitioners who do not 
fully disclose their relationship with TM International when they publish. The 
combination of "true believers" and lax publication standards is a dangerous 
combination. Still, we can always use it as an example of what to avoid when we 
teach. 


-Don. 


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Hi all, 


There seems to be more and more of such research reporting the effects of 
meditation techniques such as "Transcendental Meditation" or "Mindfulness based 
stress reduction" programs, for example : 


http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2013.0204 


How is it that confirmed neurologists, and scientists for that matter, keep 
attributing such results to the techniques or their trade mark? 
Where is critical thinking gone? 


I remember back in the 70's when crowds, (and such stars as Donovan or the 
Beatles) would flock around guru Maharashi to be initiated to such 
techniques... 
By the way, a young journalist exposes the links between David Lynch and 
Transcendental Meditation in a film called "David wants to fly". Quite 
instructive as to the strategy of such cults to implement their programs in 
schools... 


Have a nice Fall... Snow has just hit our Swiss mountains! 


Philippe Gervaix 
College de Burier 
Montreux 
Switzerland 
phil.gerv...@bluewin.ch 





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