RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-22 Thread Bourgeois, Dr. Martin
From: Mike Wiliams [jmicha5...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:25 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker? >There is no evidence placebos have a biological basis. They represent >cognition working

Re: Re:[tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-21 Thread don allen
the literature a bit more carefully you will find numerous examples of studies that take patient expectations into account. It is not as rare as you seem to think it is. -Don. - Original Message - From: Mike Wiliams Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:06 am Subject: Re:[tips] CHRON

Re:[tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-21 Thread Mike Wiliams
Hello All. I guess I should respond to Scott's comments point by point. Mike, I had thought your very point was because most studies of antidepressants aren't conducted in a strictly double-blind fashion (because of medication side effects...although you didn't address active placebo stud

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread sblack
There's one additional issue I don't think anyone has yet touched on. When we talk about efficacy of a medication, we should ask from whose point of view. What a patient wants to know is: will this anti-depressant medication help me? If the alternative is no treatment, then anti-depressants cl

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Brandon, Paul K
-Original Message- > From: Brandon, Paul K [mailto:paul.bran...@mnsu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:51 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker? > > Scott-- > I think t

RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Lilienfeld, Scott O
ry.edu; 404-727-1125 -Original Message- From: Brandon, Paul K [mailto:paul.bran...@mnsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:51 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker? Scott-- I think that Mike Williams

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Brandon, Paul K
Scott-- I think that Mike Williams' point is (at least it should be) that we should assume that a treatment is not effective until it has been proven to be effective. In the case of psychiatric treatment, this is a high hurdle because of the difficulty of carrying out a double blind (or even si

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Jeffry Ricker
On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:20 AM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > I had thought your very point... By the way, I wasn't trying to re-start the conversation by sending this article. I expected, based on my experience with previous work by Horgan, that this article was not going to be a well-reasoned on

RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Annette Taylor
rom: Lilienfeld, Scott O [slil...@emory.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:20 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker? Mike Williams wrote that "The other medications, including all the antidepressant

RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Dap Louw
Well said, Scott. A very balanced viewpoint, supported by many of us. Dap Louw Dap Louw, Ph.D.(Psych.), Ph.D. (Crim.) Head: Centre for Psychology and the Law Senior Professor: Department of Psychology University of the

RE: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-20 Thread Lilienfeld, Scott O
Mike Williams wrote that "The other medications, including all the antidepressants, have no treatment effect." Mike later says, when describing the effecs of such medicatiions, that "there is nothing there." Mike, I had thought your very point was because most studies of antidepressants ar

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
Sorry computer told me my first message didn't go through--not mean to send two about Hedge's book, really. Joan jwarm...@oakton.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
I would highly recommend the recent book by Marilyn Hedge, Suffer the Children, a family therapist who has extensive experience illustrating how working with family dynamics is very effective at helping children with behavioral disorders and that labeling and prescribing drugs is not. It's a very

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
I highly recommend the book, _Suffer the Children_ by Marilyn Wedge. It was one of the most disturbing as well as inspiring books I have read this year--disturbing as I had no idea how common it has become for psychiatrists to prescribe very strong sedatives for young children with behavioral

Re: [tips] CHRONICLE: Are Psychiatric Medications Making Us Sicker?

2011-09-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
I highly recommend the book, _Suffer the Children_ by Marilyn Wedge. It was one of the most disturbing as well as inspiring books I have read this year--disturbing as I had no idea how common it has become for psychiatrists to prescribe very strong sedatives for young children with behavioral