Re: [TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Salz, Rich
Adding new ciphers would still involve patching existing 1.2 code, so I would expect the same answer: move to DTLS 1.3 when its ready -- Senior Architect, Akamai Technologies Member, OpenSSL Dev Team IM: richs...@jabber.at Twitter: RichSalz From: Jayaraghavendran Kuppannan [mailto:jayaraghavendr

Re: [TLS] A little room for AES-192 in TLS?

2017-01-16 Thread Salz, Rich
> I do understand that the number of slots for ciphers in the above list is > somewhat limited and additions should be considered carefully. > > However, seeing that there are over 60 TLS_DH_* ciphers in that list and well > over 60 CAMMELIAs - to be clear, I am not arguing against the latter algo

[TLS] A little room for AES-192 in TLS?

2017-01-16 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
L.S., Seeing how AES-192 seems to hold up well against related key attacks (at least the (theoretical) one described in http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/317) I am rather surprised no AES-192 ciphers have been defined for TLS (http://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-parameters/tls-parameters.xhtml#tls-param

Re: [TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Jayaraghavendran Kuppannan < jayaraghavendran.i...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Eric, > > You had mentioned last time that if the scenario really warranted, we can > define new cipher suites for this rather than defining a new extension. Do > you still think it would be

Re: [TLS] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jay-tls-psk-identity-extension-02.txt

2017-01-16 Thread Jayaraghavendran Kuppannan
Hi Andreas, Thanks for the help in reviewing the draft as well as in providing your usage scenario. Regards, Jay On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Andreas Walz wrote: > Hi Jay, > > our scenario is the following: we are considering a legacy industrial > communication system with a number of spat

Re: [TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Jayaraghavendran Kuppannan
Hi Eric, You had mentioned last time that if the scenario really warranted, we can define new cipher suites for this rather than defining a new extension. Do you still think it would be a good idea for us to propose a draft on the same? Thanks! Regards, Jay On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Eric

Re: [TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Jayaraghavendran Kuppannan
Hi Andreas, We dropped that draft as there was not much interest in the community for the same. We will be glad to revive it incase if there is enough interest in the community. Regards, Jay On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Andreas, > > DTLS 1.3 will behave this way by d

Re: [TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
Andreas, DTLS 1.3 will behave this way by default, so it would be better to just move to 1.3 rather than patching 1.2. -Ekr On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Andreas Walz wrote: > Hi all, > > I stumbled upon an expired draft introducing a new (D)TLS extension to > omit explicit nonces in (D)TL

Re: [TLS] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7919 (4908)

2017-01-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:59 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Sun, 2017-01-15 at 16:51 -0800, RFC Errata System wrote: > > > Original Text > > - > >If a compatible TLS server receives a Supported Groups extension > > from > >a client that includes any FFDHE group (i.e.,

[TLS] draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension

2017-01-16 Thread Andreas Walz
Hi all, I stumbled upon an expired draft introducing a new (D)TLS extension to omit explicit nonces in (D)TLS AEAD cipher modes (draft-jay-tls-omit-aead-explicit-nonce-extension). For a number of cipher suites, this would allow to reduce the per-record overhead in (D)TLS by 8 bytes. Is there a

Re: [TLS] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jay-tls-psk-identity-extension-02.txt

2017-01-16 Thread Andreas Walz
Hi Jay, our scenario is the following: we are considering a legacy industrial communication system with a number of spatially distributed stations. Inter-station communication is based on a simple proprietary protocol over a very lean and lossy wireless channel. The channel features 2.4 kbits/s an

Re: [TLS] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7919 (4908)

2017-01-16 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Sun, 2017-01-15 at 16:51 -0800, RFC Errata System wrote: > Original Text > - >    If a compatible TLS server receives a Supported Groups extension > from >    a client that includes any FFDHE group (i.e., any codepoint > between >    256 and 511, inclusive, even if unknown to the se