Re: [TLS] Banning implicit CIDs in DTLS

2020-05-22 Thread Hanno Becker
I don't support this PR. Compactness of wire presentation is important (and acknowledged - why would there be a compressed header otherwise) and implicit CIDs should hence allowed and authenticated via AEAD additional data, preferably by generally adopting the pseudo header AAD approach. Disappoin

Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track

2020-05-22 Thread Salz, Rich
I am reluctant to make CTLS standards-track without a statement from someone that they are likely to implement it. We already have such a statement from Stephen about OpenSSL for ECH, and I'll add to that. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://ww

[TLS] 3rd WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticators

2020-05-22 Thread Sean Turner
This is the 3rd WGLC for "Exported Authenticators in TLS" draft available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator/. The secdir review during IETF LC raised some issues and as a result there have been a couple of new versions. Please respond to the list with any

Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track

2020-05-22 Thread Eric Rescorla
We have already implemented ECH (old versions) for NSS and are eager to deploy it in Firefox. We are likely to implement cTLS. -Ekr On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:20 AM Salz, Rich wrote: > I am reluctant to make CTLS standards-track without a statement from > someone that they are likely to implem

Re: [TLS] consensus call: changing cTLS and ECH to standards track

2020-05-22 Thread Salz, Rich
* We are likely to implement cTLS. I believe we need to hear more definitively, ideally from others, before moving this to standards-track. Right now, I believe it should stay experimental. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/ma

Re: [TLS] Working group last call for draft-ietf-tls-subcerts-07

2020-05-22 Thread Watson Ladd
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:23 AM Ryan Sleevi wrote >> >> I am aware of the "fight" about EKU chaining. I have a view, but I did not >> really want to drag subcerts into that controversy. > > > Sure, but unfortunately, the design of DC/subcerts is a direct result of that > running code. One of

Re: [TLS] 3rd WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticators

2020-05-22 Thread Russ Housley
> On May 22, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Sean Turner wrote: > > This is the 3rd WGLC for "Exported Authenticators in TLS" draft available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator/. The > secdir review during IETF LC raised some issues and as a result there have > be

Re: [TLS] Working group last call for draft-ietf-tls-subcerts-07

2020-05-22 Thread Salz, Rich
>One of the hard requirements for our deployment was that the same certificate be useable with DCs and without. A different EKU would be more problematic then an extension for this purpose That's a good point, and I accept Ryan's comments about EKU deployment.