Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Joseph Salowey
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:08 AM Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 3, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > > # Key Schedule > > > > The other thing I observe is the way that this slices up the exporter > output. This was something that old versions of TLS did, but TLS 1.3 did > away with. Though

Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 02:44:01PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > > I would instead either prohibit the use of application data outright or say > that it carries no semantics unless otherwise negotiated. The current design > has the effect of rendering application data unusable, so perhaps the

Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:26:40AM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, at 21:01, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > > > I have a much simpler one: the EAP layer has a signal that the > > > protocol is complete: EAP-Success > > Alan Dekok explained in a separate email thread why this is not

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Martin, Thanks for chiming in here; your insight has been quite helpful already. (I am going to reply to the thread in reverse order so as to not duplicate what you've already said.) On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 02:50:15PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > Hi Alan, > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, at 14:05,

[TLS] Closing DTLS 1.3 PRs

2021-01-04 Thread Christopher Wood
There are currently 12 open PRs [1] against the DTLS 1.3 specification generated in response to Ben's review [2]: - Require that cipher suites define a record number encryption algorithm (#166) - PMTU estimates (#168) - Updates to cookie text (#169) - Clarify buffering and retransmission requirem

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Martin Thomson
Hi Alan, On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, at 14:05, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > > Your point about reliability is confusing. I've read Section 4.2 of RFC > > 3748 and while it says "A peer MUST allow for this circumstance as > > described in this note.", I see n

Re: [TLS] TLS Flags Open Question

2021-01-04 Thread Sean Turner
Yoav, Thanks for pulling together this PR (https://github.com/tlswg/tls-flags/pull/5). There’s already some comments in the PR. If anybody has comments please jump in. Note that this is the last outstanding issue and we would like to close this in order to progress the I-D. spt > On Jan 1, 20

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > Your point about reliability is confusing. I've read Section 4.2 of RFC 3748 > and while it says "A peer MUST allow for this circumstance as described in > this note.", I see no explanation of how to concretely make that allowance. > Are you

[TLS] TLS@IET110: Agenda Topics

2021-01-04 Thread Sean Turner
The TLS WG will meet at IETF 110. The chairs have requested a 2 hour slot [0] and would like to solicit input from the WG for agenda topics. Please send your agenda topics request and an estimate for how much time you will need to tls-cha...@ietf.org. Please note that we will prioritize existing

[TLS] Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer-06: (with DISCUSS)

2021-01-04 Thread Martin Duke via Datatracker
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Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Martin Thomson
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, at 21:01, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > > I have a much simpler one: the EAP layer has a signal that the > > protocol is complete: EAP-Success > Alan Dekok explained in a separate email thread why this is not the > case > (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/emu/uMNKV_vfov7ASo

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 4, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > That's easy enough to change at this state. The question is what are those > labels? > > They're just strings, so as long as they don't conflict, it's largely up to > the EAP WG. My point was more that we cannot afford to wait another yea

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:08 AM Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 3, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > > # Key Schedule > > > > The other thing I observe is the way that this slices up the exporter > output. This was something that old versions of TLS did, but TLS 1.3 did > away with. Though

Re: [TLS] [Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 3, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > # Key Schedule > > The other thing I observe is the way that this slices up the exporter output. > This was something that old versions of TLS did, but TLS 1.3 did away with. > Though RFC 5216 did this, EAP-TLS for TLS 1.3 doesn't need to.

Re: [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Top posting to explain the need for a reliable notification of protocol completion: On 1/4/21 5:44 AM, Martin Thomson wrote: I have a much simpler one: the EAP layer has a signal that the protocol is complete: EAP-Success Alan Dekok explained in a separate email thread why this is not the cas