Re: [TLS] DTLS 1.2 and 1.3: HS message reassembly prior to processing

2021-11-09 Thread Hanno Becker
PR for immediate processing: https://github.com/tlswg/dtls13-spec/pull/258 Issue for buffering text: https://github.com/tlswg/dtls13-spec/issues/259 Thanks all From: TLS on behalf of Hanno Becker Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 6:56 PM To: Ilari Liusvaara ; tls@i

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Sam Whited
I'm still struggling to figure out what the exact problem is you're describing or if you have an actual class of attack in mind that might be possible due to this, but the following in your previous email jumped out at me: On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, at 13:03, Jonathan Hoyland wrote: > If you include cha

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Ruslan N. Marchenko
Hi Jonathan, Am Dienstag, dem 09.11.2021 um 16:01 + schrieb Jonathan Hoyland: > Hi All, > > Using a distinct channel binding, even if the upper level protocol is > not secure, means that if both sides agree on the channel binding > they agree on the intent of the upper layer protocol, i.e. it

[TLS] draft meeting minutes

2021-11-09 Thread Salz, Rich
Can be found at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-112-tls# Please make corrections as needed. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Jonathan Hoyland
Hi Dave, On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 16:13, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 16:01, Jonathan Hoyland > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > My specific solution is to simply include a different fixed string for > each variant of SCRAM and GSS-API, and ideally a nonce. > > I think you may mean S

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 16:01, Jonathan Hoyland wrote: > > Hi All, > > My specific solution is to simply include a different fixed string for each > variant of SCRAM and GSS-API, and ideally a nonce. I think you may mean SASL and GSS-API, but more probably I think you need to decide what it is you

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Jonathan Hoyland
Hi All, My specific solution is to simply include a *different* fixed string for each variant of SCRAM and GSS-API, and ideally a nonce. Given that applications will have to update their stacks anyway to accommodate the new fixed string in the current proposal I don't see that as a hugely difficul

Re: [TLS] [kitten] Fwd: Last Call: (Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3) to Proposed Standard

2021-11-09 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 17:33, Jonathan Hoyland wrote: > There isn't even a one-to-one relationship between GSS-API / SCRAM runs. This > channel binding design doesn't protect against messages being swapped between > two GSS-API runs on a single TLS connection. As I understand your case, you're