Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-09-01 Thread Dave Garrett
On Thursday, September 01, 2016 03:17:50 pm Julien ÉLIE wrote: > There's still something I find confusing: on the one hand, SSL is badly > broken and "diediedied", it is a proprietary protocol name, and the > consensus in the TLS WG seems to be "long live TLS" but on the other > hand major

Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-09-01 Thread Julien ÉLIE
Hi, The technology is SSL, and is sometimes also refered to as SSL/TLS. please no. the technology is TLS. + i would like to continue to be able to say unambiguously that all known versions of SSL are badly broken and should be avoided. Let's not muddy those waters further. + Let's not use

Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-08-31 Thread Dave Garrett
On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:44:02 pm Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > i would like to continue to be able to say unambiguously that all known > versions of SSL are badly broken and should be avoided. Let's not muddy > those waters further. +1 ___ TLS

Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-08-31 Thread Andrei Popov
t;d...@fifthhorseman.net>; Julien ÉLIE <jul...@trigofacile.com>; tls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS > i would like to continue to be able to say unambiguously that all > known versions of SSL are badly broken and should be avoided. Let's > not m

Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-08-31 Thread Salz, Rich
> i would like to continue to be able to say unambiguously that all known > versions of SSL are badly broken and should be avoided. Let's not muddy > those waters further. +1 -- Senior Architect, Akamai Technologies IM: richs...@jabber.at Twitter: RichSalz

Re: [TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-08-31 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Wed 2016-08-31 03:35:38 -0400, Julien ÉLIE wrote: > Following a recent discussion about how to name the successor of TLS > 1.2, I wish to share an idea about a possible terminology clarification. > I believe it could help to conciliate people understanding of SSL & TLS. > > We would have 3

[TLS] Terminology clarification around SSL & TLS

2016-08-31 Thread Julien ÉLIE
Hi all, Following a recent discussion about how to name the successor of TLS 1.2, I wish to share an idea about a possible terminology clarification. I believe it could help to conciliate people understanding of SSL & TLS. We would have 3 notions: 1/ the technology, 2/ the protocols, 3/ the