[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-18 Thread Sean Turner
Hi! Thanks all to those who participated! We have consensus to land these two PRs; #1343 got tweaked during this call. ekr - merge when you get a chance. spt > On Jun 12, 2024, at 16:23, Sean Turner wrote: > > Hi! Just reminder to get any concerns about merging these in by 17 June 2024. > >

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-12 Thread Sean Turner
Hi! Just reminder to get any concerns about merging these in by 17 June 2024. spt > On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:38, Sean Turner wrote: > > Since draft-ietf-tls-rfc8446bis last completed WGLC, two PRs have been > submitted (and discussed) that include changes to normative language: > > - #1343:

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-12 Thread David Benjamin
ould make the requirement more clear, and avoid enforcement > of a requirement that can’t be strictly followed. > > > > *From:* David Benjamin > *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2024 5:48 PM > *To:* Kyle Nekritz > *Cc:* Sean Turner ; TLS List > *Subject:* Re: [TLS]Re: Consensus

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-12 Thread Kyle Nekritz
make the requirement more clear, and avoid enforcement of a requirement that can’t be strictly followed. From: David Benjamin Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 5:48 PM To: Kyle Nekritz Cc: Sean Turner ; TLS List Subject: Re: [TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345 Regardin

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-06 Thread David Benjamin
Regarding 1343, the PR is a rule on the sender, not the receiver. After all, it says "The sender MUST NOT". It is not a rule on the receiver. We have interop problems *today* when one side sends too many KeyUpdates, triggered by data received. The PR does not ask receivers to enforce stuff, but

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-06 Thread Kyle Nekritz
I object to 1343 because I don't think it can be implemented without risking interop problems. There is nothing tying a KeyUpdate response to the KeyUpdate that requested it, or distinguishing it from an unrelated KeyUpdate. As an example of how this can cause practical problems, say we have

[TLS]Re: Consensus Call: -rfc8446bis PRs #1343 & #1345

2024-06-05 Thread Sean Turner
Gentle reminder about these two PRs. I should note there are now others. spt > On Jun 3, 2024, at 11:38, Sean Turner wrote: > > Since draft-ietf-tls-rfc8446bis last completed WGLC, two PRs have been > submitted (and discussed) that include changes to normative language: > > - #1343: Forbid