Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-10 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Jon Stevens wrote: > on 7/7/01 9:33 AM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FWIW, I'm fine with Anakia, XSLT, Cocoon, Stylebook, Docbook, or whatever > > ... but IF AND ONLY IF the tags for use by the document authors are well > > documented, and the page

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-10 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, GOMEZ Henri wrote: > >Craog > >> I have a feeling that whatever is the same will be a lot of > >piecemeal here > >> and there, excluding of course, web-app documentation. So > >far yourself, > >> Pier, and Henri are the only three TC developers to post > >their position o

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-10 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>Craog >> I have a feeling that whatever is the same will be a lot of >piecemeal here >> and there, excluding of course, web-app documentation. So >far yourself, >> Pier, and Henri are the only three TC developers to post >their position on >> that (re: inter-version relevancy). Pier and I

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-09 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/7/01 9:33 AM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I'm fine with Anakia, XSLT, Cocoon, Stylebook, Docbook, or whatever > ... but IF AND ONLY IF the tags for use by the document authors are well > documented, and the page generation procedure is amenable to Ant scripting >

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-08 Thread Punky Tse
> > "Developer" in the sense of this sentence is a Tomcat > developer. "User" is the people that just want to download, install, > configure, and utilize Tomcat as a servlet container. > Agree. That's why I suggested that we need to separate Developer Guide from User/Administrator Guide. I be

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Aaron Bannert wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 09:25:46AM -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > Yes, we obviously need pointers in a top-level README on "where the docs > > went". > > I'm willing to collaborate on these types of docs. On a slight tangent, > I'd like to poin

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 10:06:21PM -0700, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > > > * Docs should live in the source tree of the project that they > > are about. Although Henri's suggestion for jakarta-tomcat-docs > > is noble, what you'll find in pr

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: > Unfortunatly, I won't be able to participate much in this discussion this > weekend since i know *0* about AWT and the Java cert (Monday morning, 9am) > apparently thinks you should =) Sorry all... > > > The important issue is *not* what transformation tool

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: > > Providing Tomcat documentation in a WAR file is a little like providing > > a VHS tape on how to setup your VCR. It may seem really elegant to have > > on-the-fly style-generating documentation, and I may be alone on this, > > but I think that the majority

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-07 Thread Rob S.
Unfortunatly, I won't be able to participate much in this discussion this weekend since i know *0* about AWT and the Java cert (Monday morning, 9am) apparently thinks you should =) Sorry all... > The important issue is *not* what transformation tool is used. The Oh, by "works for Catalina" I w

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-06 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: > > We've started writing some new docs in XML (catalina/docs/dev/xdocs). The > > HTML generation is done with XSL, but the DTD should be the same > > as the one > > used by Anakia. > > I noticed the xdocs directory, but I didn't see anything in there. I sent

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-06 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: > This seems to be one of the questions that comes up and never gets answered > (re: docs, not Jon's behavior ;) I'm not sure what magical solution will > get people to read docs. Frankly, I'd just like to get started. Anakia > works for Jakarta, Yep, thank

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-06 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jon Stevens wrote: > on 7/2/01 5:58 PM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Excellent :) Anakia is a tool written by Jon to translate XML into HTML > > (correct me if I'm wrong) based on the same language that WebMacro uses... > > It generates http://jakart

Re: AW: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread cmanolache
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Jon Stevens wrote: > > It's just sad when an organization like Apache chooses to ignore existing > > standards and invent it's own DTD and transformation language to do the > > site. > > Once again Costin, you fail to impress me with your statements. You confuse > "Apache" wit

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Cain
"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote: > > This is deja vu all over again. We should take one copy if this > discussion (we had the same thing in Commons, and I am sure it happened > everywhere else...), post it somewhere, and people can just submit > article numbers or something rather than typing the sa

Re: AW: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread cmanolache
Docbook is a standard for writing books, articles, technical documentations. It is the format used by LDP ( linux doc project ) and many ( or most ) open source projects, companies, etc. ( it's not a new thing, has been around since SGML days ). XSLT is the W3C standard for XML transformation.

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Larry Isaacs
sday, July 03, 2001 11:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: > [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire] > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Si Ly wrote: > > > I submitted a very simple patch last week, and I haven

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Jon Stevens
on 7/3/01 8:04 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:38:55PM -0700, Si Ly wrote: >> I submitted a very simple patch last week, and I haven't heard from >> anyone about it. It seems to me that "outsiders" (non-committers) >> can't get anything into CVS be

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>The patch is good, if nobody else get to submit it I'll do that when I >return ( and start again on jasper - I just want to make sure the >connector is in good state so we can finally have the beta ). If Costin agree with the patch, I'll commit them

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread cmanolache
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Si Ly wrote: > I submitted a very simple patch last week, and I haven't heard from > anyone about it. It seems to me that "outsiders" (non-committers) > can't get anything into CVS because the committers are not looking at > the patches, for whatever reasons. Sorry about tha

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 07:38:55PM -0700, Si Ly wrote: > I submitted a very simple patch last week, and I haven't heard from > anyone about it. It seems to me that "outsiders" (non-committers) > can't get anything into CVS because the committers are not looking at > the patches, for whatever reas

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>I submitted a very simple patch last week, and I haven't heard from >anyone about it. It seems to me that "outsiders" (non-committers) >can't get anything into CVS because the committers are not looking at >the patches, for whatever reasons. The commiters look at patches but may take time to ap

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread Si Ly
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:02:43AM +0100, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: > > Documentation is just as valuable as the software... > > Probably even more... It allows more dummies to install our software, more > dummies = more bugs found, more bugs found = more fixes, more fixes = better > software... O

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-03 Thread GOMEZ Henri
>Probably even more... It allows more dummies to install our >software, more >dummies = more bugs found, more bugs found = more fixes, more >fixes = better >software... Or that's right only in f**ked up mind? :) > >Pier +1

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Pier P. Fumagalli
Geir Magnusson Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Documentation is just as valuable as the software... Probably even more... It allows more dummies to install our software, more dummies = more bugs found, more bugs found = more fixes, more fixes = better software... Or that's right only in f**k

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Brad Cox wrote: > > At 10:09 AM -0400 7/2/01, Rob S. wrote: > >1) Developers don't write them in lieu of coding. > >2) Users don't read them > >3...) ? > > http://www.c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki has a novel way of getting at the > problem. Not a panacea obviously, but what is? The one at that > address

Re: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS:[TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
This is deja vu all over again. We should take one copy if this discussion (we had the same thing in Commons, and I am sure it happened everywhere else...), post it somewhere, and people can just submit article numbers or something rather than typing the same arguments over and over. "Yes, I kno

RE: [PRE-PROPOSAL] jakarta-tomcat-doc sub-project : WAS: [TomcatDocumentation Redactors To Hire]

2001-07-02 Thread cmanolache
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Rob S. wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand that. There are plenty of HTML editors, and 99% > > of the people on this list know a bit of html. Nobody asked for "good > > looking" documentation or cool formats, the content is missing. > > Agreed, but using Note/Text/Whatever/Pa