Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
VDSL as used in AT&T Uverse and others employs a string of carriers from 147 kHz to 7.9 MHz every 13 khZ. Each of these is a data carrier for 1-13 data bits. In the extended handshaking between the remote VRAD and the gateway modems on customer site, the demodulation of the carriers notes when er

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/17/2012 3:38 AM, N1BUG wrote: > What about the drop from the pole to my NID? That is not twisted. That's likely a contributor. 73, Jim K9YC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on topband

2012-07-17 Thread Keith Jillings (G3OIT)
On 17/07/2012 16:45, Tom Boucher wrote: > On the recommendation of John G3PQA, I recently changed my router from a > D-Link unit to an ADDON NWAR-3670 which appears to have much better RFI > immunity. I'm not getting any dropouts at all now and I do not have an OZ1CTK > type filter in line, jus

Topband: DSL knocks out when on topband

2012-07-17 Thread Tom Boucher
Herb, On the recommendation of John G3PQA, I recently changed my router from a D-Link unit to an ADDON NWAR-3670 which appears to have much better RFI immunity. I'm not getting any dropouts at all now and I do not have an OZ1CTK type filter in line, just some ferrite rings of unknown origin on

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Thanks to all who replied with ideas to make TB operation possible with a DSL here. It appears that some boxes are better than others so I am starting to compile a list of the good ones. I am also planing to get some shielded drop wire from the pole. The local provider has only unshielded de

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
With AT&T Uverse I had the experience of adding common mode chokes (#31 ferrite) on a long run of cat 5 and having it knock down the desired signal. The cat 5 is not all that well balanced, and putting the hurts on the unbalance also knocks down the main signal which was marginal to start with. I

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Felipe Ceglia
Hi, I have this knock out problem, tried ferrite beads, ferrite cores, coils, vodoo, black magic... I came to conclusion that some devices are really built not caring for RF exposure. Two different revisions of a Speedstream 2400 modem behave completely different. One could whitstand my 160m TX s

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Tom W8JI
Herb, ADSL, which sounds like what you have, has carriers right up to mid broadcast band or so. The upper frequency carriers that go up above 1 MHz are the from the modem to your house, while stuff down low is from you back to the DSLAM. This makes modems very susceptible to 160 meter signals

Re: Topband: Interference with DSL, etc.

2012-07-17 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
Groan years ago, I had a T-1 running to a teleconferencing center I managed - over $1000 a month for 24 64-Kb channels, IIRC. Surely there has to be a better way in most places, if only cable Internet. I get 13 MB down, 2.5 MB up from Comcast, on their mid-grade "performance" service. No

Topband: Interference with DSL, etc.

2012-07-17 Thread John Harden
A number of years ago I got fed up with the undependable ATT DSL. It was too crowded and generally too slow. I went to a full T-1 with a dedicated line. It is with Windstream out of Virginia. The service is excellent, and if you call them they can articulate in English and are very knowledgeabl

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread N1BUG
On 07/16/2012 10:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > This is a differential mode filter, so it suggests that some or all of > the telco cable feeding the modem isn't twisted pair, or isn't very good > twisted pair. SO -- another solution could be replacing that poor cable > with CAT5, using the pair within t

Re: Topband: DSL knocks out when on TopBand

2012-07-17 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
On 7/16/2012 10:36 PM, W2RU - Bud Hippisley wrote: > Herb (& others) — > > I struggled to keep my 160- and 80-meter RF out of my DSL equipment for a > number of years. Multiple turns of all cables in/out of the DSL modem > (Siemens Speedstream) on #31ferrites, etc. The best progress occurred wh