Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread ZR
It all depends upon how much survivability you want, nothing will survive a direct hit. Any 1.5 to 2.5 mH choke will suffice, just look at the safety choke in a commercial amp for the smallest choice. The big ones are often found in scrapped BCB transmitters and tuning units as well as show

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
I need to construct a heavy-duty choke to be installed from the feed point of my 160 meter vertical to ground, for static drain and for lightning protection. How large does the wire, form, and inductance need to be? Phil, This is like any shunt or series choke problem. The choke needs to be

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
20 uH should be sufficient at the base of a 1/4 wave length vertical. #4 copper wire is used to connect towers to ground for direct strikes. Such an inductor can be close-wound with insulated #4 wire, diameter 8, 8 turns. It should survive intact except for the insulation. Dave WX7G On Jul

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I need to construct a heavy-duty choke to be installed from the feed point of my 160 meter vertical to ground, for static drain and for lightning protection. How large does the wire, form, and inductance need to be? Phil, One method of dealing with this problem, particularly if one is

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread ZR
That is only 226 Ohms at 1.8MHz and at 1500W will be dissipating about 30W in a 50 Ohm system but Phil didnt say how he is feeding his tower which is resonant well below 160M. Yes it will work as well as survive a lot of energy at 35-50 Ohms compared to a larger inductance 1A choke. Carl KM1H

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
30 watts is correct for 1500 watts in a 50 ohm system and a coil Q of 226. The power loss is 0.1 dB and the coil temp rise is around 20 deg C. WX7G On Jul 26, 2012 3:20 PM, ZR z...@jeremy.mv.com wrote: ** That is only 226 Ohms at 1.8MHz and at 1500W will be dissipating about 30W in a 50 Ohm

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
That is only 226 Ohms at 1.8MHz and at 1500W will be dissipating about 30W in a 50 Ohm system but Phil didnt say how he is feeding his tower which is resonant well below 160M. That choke is probably too small and will change SWR, but thankfully reactance in reactances does not dissipate

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
70 turns 2 diameter over 4 length would be 100 uH, and with an air core and #16 magnet wire would have a Q of about 200 or so. That's 1000 ohms impedance, a few hundred thousand ohms parallel resistance, and the dissipation would be less than 1 watt at 1500. Or 38 turns over 4 inches on a 4

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
30 watts is correct for 1500 watts in a 50 ohm system and a coil Q of 226. The power loss is 0.1 dB and the coil temp rise is around 20 deg C. No, it isn't. 1500 watts is 273 volts into 50 ohms. If Q is 226, and reactance 226 ohms, Rp is 51,077 ohms. 273 volts is 1.46 watts heat. To get 30

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Tom W8JI
My Mistake: To get 30 watts of heat with 226 ohms reactance, Q would have down near unity. No one makes a coil that bad. I misplaced a decimal. Q would have to be near ten in the coil with 226 ohms reactance and 1500 watts to make 30W heat, not near 1. The other numbers are correct. A Q of

Re: Topband: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
My mistake. Now then, for lighting we don't really want much inductance between the antenna and ground. For a 100 kA strike rising in 2 us 1 MV is developed across 20 uH. Instead we want a sturdy spark gap of 1/32 inch connected directly from the feedpoint to the ground system. WX7G On Jul 26,

Topband: Fw: Choke Construction Info Needed

2012-07-26 Thread Bob Kupps
Hi Phil I'm no expert but plan to use a quarter wave shorted stub of RG6 at the feed point of my verticals for static drain and harmonic reduction, along with a spark gap in the event of a close strike. 73 Bob - Forwarded Message - From: Phil Clements philcleme...@centurylink.net To: