Nothing during the day, but S9+5 here in Virginia on my NE beverage.
--
Ken - K4XL
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BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com
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3:40z 20 over in SE CT
FN31XI
Using the Hi-Z 3 el I find it equal between the south position and SW
position. The greatest rejection is in the NE direction.
I could not hear it this afternoon so I assume this is sky wave I am
hearing.
Gary
KA1J
_
Hi,
I dunno about Jim's real estate but a full size 80 meter dipole would
extend off from my lot. Somebody else in a different thread concerning
this pointed out that those blessed with large territory for sprinkling
antennas around can't wrap their head around the concept of a *SMALL*
lot. The en
S-9 on Southwest Beverage, weak on the Northeast Beverage in mid-coast
Maine. Did not hear it this afternoon on ground wave.
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I am 30 miles due west of NYC. I receive it plenty loud on 1.810540 mHz. For
a while this evening I experienced only about +/- 5dB of QSB , but now that QSB
is running +/- 15 dB. Therefore it's got to be a good bit of sky wave reaching
me.
I don't have directional receiving capability. Wil
I can copy it on 1810.5 +/- in New Mexico using the NE BOG. Steady but
weak (-130dBm) on my uncalibrated P3.
Wish my SW neighborhood noise was this weak!
73, Doc K7SO
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Maybe I'm the only guy on the list that actually built one of these antennas.
I used it for 90-meter BC DX, and the results were spectacular. Background
noise dropped to a very low level, and I could get usable audio out of stations
that were barely hets on my other antennas.
A few not
SE of here S8 to 9 fn20ac
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com]On Behalf Of David
Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:11 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Spurious Signal on 1810.8
I am hearing it here in EN21xm. Signal st
Fairly weak up here (GN37) to the southwest.
73
Joe VO1NA
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Disappears during daytime in Raleigh. S9, S9+5 here at night. Very steady
level. No fades. High angle, louder on TX antenna. 73, Guy.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
> Right outside of Washington DC... about S8 to S9 tonight. 1810.3. Only
> goes down a little during the
That spurious signal must have jammed my personal GPS. I'm actually in
southwest CT. (Duh!)
Jack K2RS
On 10/2/2012 9:28 PM, K2RS wrote:
Tonight in southeastern CT (FN31LH) I'm copying the signal at 1.810.44
with a signal strength anywhere from S2 to S8. No way to determine
direction.
If you try the K6STI low noise loop please let us know your results. I have
tried a number of low noise receiving loops, currently
am playing with a Waller flag. The K6STI loop is very interesting, I may try
it myself also.
73,
Bob
K6UJ
On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
> We
Tonight in southeastern CT (FN31LH) I'm copying the signal at 1.810.44
with a signal strength anywhere from S2 to S8. No way to determine
direction.
Jack K2RS
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I am hearing it here in EN21xm. Signal strength varies from S1 to S5. I
will check again tomorrow but I don't believe the signal appeared until my
SS, so I don't believe it is a local signal. It is due EAST from my QTH.
73. . .Dave, W0FLS, in Iowa
From FN20ee - Chester County, PA - the no
At 07:16 PM 10/2/2012, W1FVwrote:
>From eastern MA (FN42gk) the signal is very strong in the daytime and
>nighttime.
Signal is S9+5db here on 1/4 wave vertical, and S9 on short NE beverage.
No way to estimate direction though.
I'm near Springfield MA, north of Hartford CT. FN32 42-01N 72-43W
Signal S7 in Fishers Indiana (10 miles NE of Indianapolis) tonight at 8:30 pm
EDT, and beam heading approximately 100 degrees (equal signal on my pennant
beaming 40 degrees and my pennant beaming 160 degrees which puts it at
approximately 100 degrees). I uploaded recording of signal on youtube
From FN20ee - Chester County, PA - the noise on 1810.5 +/- is
S9 plus, very little variance. Haven't listened during the day,
but very strong tonight. N4XU
On 10/2/2012 8:43 PM, W1ZC wrote:
>From most direction reports so far, the buzzy signal appears to be from the
NYC/NJ areas? More obse
>From most direction reports so far, the buzzy signal appears to be from the
NYC/NJ areas? More observations will help.
73s, Dick, W1ZC FN42dr
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Joe
Wilkowski
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:13 PM
To: wa
Right outside of Washington DC... about S8 to S9 tonight. 1810.3. Only goes
down a little during the day. I always mentally thought of it as "the buzzsaw".
Tim N3QE
From: Topband [topband-boun...@contesting.com] on behalf of wa3...@comcast.net
[wa3...@com
Has anyone used the Taiyo Beacon Receiver for MF reception. It would make a
nice DF recieiver for 160 Meters.
Mike N2MS
- Original Message -
From: Dave Mueller
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 04:08:15 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: Fishing beacons redux
In my part
Well,
Chalk it up to senility I guess ... not sure if I put the correct link in my
last post or not but here it is here:
http://www.qsl.net/wa3mej/Interference/Interference.htm
Look on the second entry down and you will find a picture of the spectrum,
clicking on the picture will enlar
This is a great idea.
Apparently, this problem is going to get MUCH worse than it has ever been.
This needs to be addressed ASAP so that we minimize the effect that this
has on our enjoyment of 160.
If I had a list of fishnet beacon manufacturers and distributors, followed
by some relevant sugges
The "1810.8" signal now appears to be at 1810.5, with a peaks about 200
or 300 Hz on either side. I estimate its bearing is just East of South
(perhaps 160 degrees), from near Ottawa, FN25.
Bert VE3QAA
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On 10/2/2012 12:43 PM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
And, in my case, Don, I simply need to put up an antenna that's:
a) more efficient than my vertical and b) fits within the confines
of my propertyhaving any noise cancelling or nulling is a plus
but not as important as a and b (b being th
>From eastern MA (FN42gk) the signal is very strong in the daytime and
>nighttime. This appears to indicate that the source is within groundwave
>distance of me. I tried getting a direction fix this evening with my RX
>vertical array that can switch in 8 directions. However, I see very little
Listening this evening this signal is slightly SE of my location (FN13BD)
near Rochester NY. Both the beverages and 4 square confirm this without
ambiguity.
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
wa3...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 02,
Gentlemen,
I honestly thought that was a growler here at my house (typically caused by a
wallwart or TV) and had no idea that others were hearing it. Today I took
another look at it and opened up one of my favorite spectrum monitoring tools.
I recorded the spectrum as well as the audio. P
East from near Erie, PA. No SE antenna to try, so can't
determine if the signal favors that direction from here or not.
Freq. is 1810.53 when zero-beat in CW, but does not seem
particularly stable, moving +/- several Hz in a short period of
time. Last check zeroed at 1810.57.
73 - Eric NO3
Don't you wonder what would happen, if 500 Topbanders all wrote a NICE,
POLITE email to all the manufacturers of these devices,
and in, say, 5-10 sentences or less simply asked them if they would mind
excluding 1.8-2 MHz because it ANNOYS THE HELL
(oops, I mean...) it makes it difficult for u
>From Raleigh, NC the 1810.8 buzzy signal comes from the Northeast direction.
73,
Paul
K5ESW
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Don't you wonder what would happen, if 500 Topbanders all wrote a NICE, POLITE
email to all the manufacturers of these devices,
and in, say, 5-10 sentences or less simply asked them if they would mind
excluding 1.8-2 MHz because it ANNOYS THE HELL
(oops, I mean...) it makes it difficult for
the units we salvaged has the specific frequency marked in the crystal and unit itself
along with the callsign
the "sel call" units are a good thing for us as the bouys would not transmit until
"paged"- and this matches with the competitive aspects, they would not want others to get
to their c
In my part of the world, beacons are used extensively to mark
fisherman's long lines. I would say that the average fishing boat has
10 or 12 of these beacons which are deployed along the length of the
line, which could be tens of miles long. These lines take quite a while
to deploy, are left
Tnx, Ian, for the info. On the same subj., KSM (using the former KPH equipment
and rec/xmit sites) is still on the air. They send (around 20wpm) wx, news, tfc
lists, etc on several frequencies...usually on the weekends. The Maritime Radio
Historical Society keeps it running and is an on-going pr
On 10/2/2012 11:30 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
I was wondering if ground rods were ever correlated to a known way of
determining soil conductivity.
See Rudy's work, on his website.
73, Jim K9YC
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Here is a very interesting site with details of coastal radio stations.
Very useful for identifying stations in top band (and 80m):
http://www.coastalradio.org.uk/index.html
In particular, see the frequency listing at:
http://www.coastalradio.org.uk/freqlists/coastmf.pdf
--
73
Ian, G3NRW
The
To Rich's point, I created a buried field in 4NEC2 using the radial geometry
wizard and a vertical wire radiator 40m tall, all wires being of #12. The
radial field consists of 64, 0.5 wavelength radials, buried 0.1m deep in
moderate soil conductivity of 3 mS/m. As a bit of a sanity check, the
And, in my case, Don, I simply need to put up an antenna that's: a) more
efficient than my vertical and b) fits within the confines of my
propertyhaving any noise cancelling or nulling is a plus but not as
important as a and b (b being the huge limiter)
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; w...@w
On your referenced fields graph you caption "Measured vs. Calculated"
intensity, but the traces are not differentiated. Which traces on the graph
are measured and which are calculated?
The chart at the top of the page contains only data calculated by NEC.
The chart titled "Mea
"there is no "modeling" associated with this effort."
Jim,
I took a look at the article today and also threw together a basic (simple)
EZNEC model and my generated elevation pattern closely resembles the pattern
that they published (fig 6) in QST back in 1995. On 160 meters the elevatio
Hi Richard,
On your referenced fields graph you caption "Measured vs. Calculated"
intensity, but the traces are not differentiated. Which traces on the
graph are measured and which are calculated?
73, Guy.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Richard Fry wrote:
> Conclusion: The less ground condu
Great - I appreciate you revisiting the articleI am going to try it in a
week or so. Jim R.
> From: w...@w8ji.com
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; topband@contesting.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:52:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: Topband: K6STI low noise receive loop
>
> Well, there is no "modeling
When you do problems like this with modeling, be careful. While the wire
moments are specifically calculated segment by segment, what gets
calculated around ground is not literal calculation like the wires. Ground
is done with a GROUND APPROXIMATION METHOD (e.g. Norton/Sommerfeld). That
means a
>
> 1.801 OJ7E - Finland
> 1.806 HV8E - Vatican
> 1.811 GX3E - England
ah-oh, not good news, Guys. The Chinese are in the business. Looks like here
is one of our culprits.
Check out the specs (freq. and emission)
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/218045564/Radio_Buoy.html
Sri,
K2XT
Conclusion: The less ground conductivity the higher is the antenna
elevation radiation angle. This is a negative impact for DX!
Cris, Tom, Paul et al
This belief is common when looking at the far-field elevation pattern of a
vertical monopole in MoM results, or in antenna textbooks. That pat
l,
I searched for the company name on those photos and it is a Japanese
company that makes those models and many others. The one in the pix that
were put up are fairly sophisticated and they operate "1600-3000 khz."
So, apparently the Japanese are selling them here and they are being
programm
Well, there is no "modeling" associated with this effort, Tom - they just
"did it".built it, tuned it and used it! I've attached the article for
perusal, if interestedJim R.
I saw the original article. This one uses an isolated primary secondary
coupling system.
Try it and see if i
Tom and all,
I searched for the company name on those photos and it is a Japanese company
that makes those models and many others. The one in the pix that were put up
are fairly sophisticated and they operate "1600-3000 khz." So, apparently the
Japanese are selling them here and they are bein
Hi,
This whole topic is unpleasant. I personally don't encounter very much
of this kind of thing but I might as I increase my top band activity. I
use the bottom part of the band in an effort to avoid the DX stations,
The DXers chasing the DX stations, the digital crowd, and the hams in
all those
Well, there is no "modeling" associated with this effort, Tom - they just "did
it".built it, tuned it and used it! I've attached the article for perusal,
if interestedJim R.
> From: w...@w8ji.com
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com; topband@contesting.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:59:11 -040
I removed the termination. Same signal level, S5.
Now the real question is, does my Beverage have any f/b? Well, it is 550 ft
long, 470 ohm termination, 9:1 transformer.
Is this a waste of time, or useful?
Rick K2XT
_
I don't know about further out where you'd have to proof an AM station
but I just ran some models and there's kind of a weird relationship
between vertical electric field strength at 1 wavelength out and far
field efficiency as ground conductivity is varied for fixed
permittivity.
One wavelengt
> Richard Fry, you know anything about this? A 5:1 change in soil seems way
> out of line with what I recall from fields at WSPD on 1370 kHz and WOHO on
> 1470 kHz. Were those stations exceptions?
I don't know about further out where you'd have to proof an AM station
but I just ran some models an
Anyone else have a reliable direction on a different
> bearing line?
2 pm in New Jersey. It is 3 S units above background noise with my NE
terminated Beverage, S5 and S2.
Rig -K3, 400 Hz bandwidth, cw-R mode, 1810.6.
I can at least go down and remove the termination.
If it was NE of me the
Tom is absolutely correct.
I believe this eHam thread discusses the pertinent rules and regulations
pertaining to us jamming of an illegal station on the ham bands:
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,84382.0.html
I don't make a practice of doing it, but I have seen CBers and illega
Has anyone employed that K6STI receive antenna? It doesn't equal a
Beverage, for sure, BUT - for a small footprint area it looks interesting.
I think you will find that loop a good example of a system that models as a
practical antenna with the infinite common mode isolation of current source
Is this the correct thing to do?
It is for me. :-)
How do you know that the beacon user is breaking the law in his
jurisdiction?
Because I can read the International rules and regulations as well as FCC
rules. There is no legal use of 1800-1850 except amateur in this region (2).
http://li
I can tell you they are a major problem for me on 160 as they are far
louder than most any DX here except for VE and there are so many of
them throughout the CW portion I've come to pass over any loud signal
around sunrise because it's most certainly not DX.
I did listen for them below 1.8 and
Calling on top of a CB'er is just make the situation worse. Some of them want
to spar with hams.
I don't want to preach but two wrongs do not make a right...
Mike N2MS
- Original Message -
From: Mike Waters
To: topband
Sent: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:44:44 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband:
IF they are operating there illegally, it would not be "malicious
interference". It would be like intentionally calling CQ on top of a CBer
on 10m.
But you make some good points.
73, Mike
www.w0btu.com
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:21 PM, wrote:
> ... How do you know that the beacon user is breaki
Excellent work, Cristi. A suggestion for this last part of the analysis.
Rather than look at the vertical angle where the radiation peaks, look at
the field strength at some chosen low angle, like 10 degrees for various
soil conditions. Now, we can see a dB value.
But, we're not done there.
An observation: There seem to be more LOUD buoys this season than
ever in the past. I wasn't on much last season due to local noise
but it seemed to me activity on topband was WAY down from the past
several years, perhaps due to people going back to higher bands.
Could the two be related? Less
If we are the primary allocation, we have a responsibility to use that
frequency as it was allocated. "Use it or lose it" works on every level here.
Using the frequency is not jamming it.
Nothing wrong with tracking it with ARRL intruderwatch but their pull with
Chinese fishing beacon manufactu
On 10/2/2012 3:31 AM, cris blak wrote:
The less ground conductivity the higher is the antenna elevation radiation
angle.
Excellent work, Cristi. A suggestion for this last part of the
analysis. Rather than look at the vertical angle where the radiation
peaks, look at the field strength at
Is this the correct thing to do? How do you know that the beacon user is
breaking the law in his jurisdiction?
In any case jamming should not be proposed as a solution. Amateur radio
operators should not cause malicious interference.
If word got out that hams were jamming commercial fishermen
I hear it as well. I went as far as to run off battery power and kill
the main breakers but it remained. I live near Amtrak with their
overhead electrical lines and thought it might be from some of their
equipment.
Gary
KA1J
> For some while I have been hearing a strong spurious signal on abou
I have been hearing the same gnarly signal here in southern NH for a few
days or more & thought it was local also but obviously much more wide
spread. Very loud here (FN42dr) in early evenings and AM. Interesting!
73s, Dick, W1ZC
Let's try to find this thing. I hear it at noon, but it is just
Has anyone employed that K6STI receive antenna? It doesn't equal a Beverage,
for sure, BUT - for a small footprint area it looks interesting. I'd think it
wouldn't matter if one used 450 ohm ladder line or 300 ohm twinlead for the
connection between the opposite ends but...not sure if that's
As has been pointed out, I did indeed mean south EAST of me!
Interesting that it was not just me that thought it must be local. I can't
imagine that it is anything other than a misbehaving transmitter - it's too
horrible to be trasmitting anything meaningful.
73 Roger
VE3ZI
___
"The most effective way to get rid of one is to operate on, or very close
to, the beacon frequency. It takes some period of time, but if the owner
can't hear the beacon reliably he will program a new frequency. Several
nights of heavy activity near a beacon often results in a channel switch.
... "
Guys, there is alot more circuitry in that buoy than a simple dumb
transmitter.
If those are claimed to be a crystal control simple dumb transmitter, they
are not.
The pictures they have posted are of synthesized transmitter frequency
remote programmable transmitters, just like the link I po
Guys, there is alot more circuitry in that buoy than a simple dumb transmitter.
Maybe some of the devices are dumb transmitters, but I'd bet most of them are
more like this unit. Those fishing nets and long lines are incredibly
expensive. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to find that
On 2012-10-02, at 9:54 AM, Milt -- N5IA wrote:
> The irony is the beacons are floating in the environment we all would
> literally 'kill for' to have in our back yards underneath our BIG antennas.
>
> There is nothing like a salt water ground plane!
>
Amen to that reality
Hey Eddy,
The irony is the beacons are floating in the environment we all would
literally 'kill for' to have in our back yards underneath our BIG antennas.
There is nothing like a salt water ground plane!
de Milt, N5IA
-Original Message-
From: Eddy Swynar
Sent:
-Original Message-
From: Robin
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:45 AM
To: Mike Waters ; Merv Schweigert ; topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Fishing beacons redux
SNIP
Pics on the VP6DX site of the two beacons we salvaged that had washed ashore
there
SNIP
And t
As we all know (should know), those two parameters are esential to evaluate
the ground under our antennas, especially for verticals.
The ideea to measure the ground concuctivity and permittivity rise after I
read Rudy's (N6LF) article, "Measurement of soil electrical parameter at
HF".
I use the
I have been hearing the same gnarly signal here in southern NH for a few
days or more & thought it was local also but obviously much more wide
spread. Very loud here (FN42dr) in early evenings and AM. Interesting!
73s, Dick, W1ZC
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@c
These beacons are not frequency agile. As Mike points out, they are on a
schedule. The entire environment they are used in is pretty primitive.
While they probably are simple systems, that is absolutely not true for all
systems. Some are complex, with synthesized transmitters and multi-tone HF
For some while I have been hearing a strong spurious signal on about
1810.8 kHz.
I thought it was a local SMPS or similar until I started trying to find
it.
It is not local to me it - I can hear it on several different antenna
systems, and also
from my remote station 15 km away. It beams s
On 02/10/2012 7:30 AM, Roger Parsons wrote:
For some while I have been hearing a strong spurious signal on about 1810.8 kHz.
I thought it was a local SMPS or similar until I started trying to find it.
It is not local to me it - I can hear it on several different antenna systems,
and also
from
G'Day Topbanders,
These beacons are not frequency agile. As Mike points out,
they are on a schedule. The entire environment they are
used in is pretty primitive. They certainly do not know
morse code, the beacons are pre-programmed and the
fishermen just turn them on or off (and recharge the
On 2012-10-02, at 3:45 AM, Robin wrote:
>
> but they are a C H E A P crystal controlled "MOPA" with a 6-8 meter long
> whip. the ID runs on a cycle like Merv says. The beacons have something
> like 36 D cells for power - ballast and cheap batteries
>
Hi Robin,
I had to smile to myself whe
For some while I have been hearing a strong spurious signal on about 1810.8
kHz.
I thought it was a local SMPS or similar until I started trying to find it.
It is not local to me it - I can hear it on several different antenna systems,
and also
from my remote station 15 km away. It beams sou
Hello all,
I like to share my experiments and hear from your similar experiments regarding
ground conductivity and permittivity measurements.
As we all know (should know), those two parameters are esential to evaluate the
ground under our antennas, especially for verticals.
The ideea to measu
but they are a C H E A P crystal controlled "MOPA" with a 6-8 meter long
whip. the ID runs on a cycle like Merv says. The beacons have something
like 36 D cells for power - ballast and cheap batteries
Pics on the VP6DX site of the two beacons we salvaged that had washed
ashore there
they v
On 02/10/2012 01:43, John Langridge wrote:
They are probably as CW literate as most pilots that rely on NDB's (do they any
more?) Their charts literally have dots and dashes listed for the various
beacons.
NDBs are rapidly disappearing (thanks to GPS).
The pilot doesn't have to be CW-literat
wont waste bandwidth recapping in any detail
but they are a C H E A P crystal controlled "MOPA" with a 6-8 meter long whip. the ID
runs on a cycle like Merv says. The beacons have something like 36 D cells for power -
ballast and cheap batteries
Pics on the VP6DX site of the two beacons we
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