Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread Charlie Cunningham
I share your opinions and sentiments, Greg! Over the years I've worked some pretty good stuff around the world on 160 with inverted- Ls held up by trees, running a bit less power than you - abt 500-600W out from a home-brew 3-500Z. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mail

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread Rick Stealey
> For them to make a significant impact on my ability to transmit, they would > have to absorb at least 3db (750 watts). So your loss is less than 3 db, and so it's of no concern to you? I know 160 meter ops who would, and do, pay lots of money for an extra 3 db. Say your tree loss was really

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread Tom W8JI
Just thinking here - I can hold my hand on a 75 watt lightbulb for a few seconds. 10 of those lightbulbs-worth of heat isn't very much heat, dissipated over the surface area of the bark of a tree, 60 feet tall, in winter, with low temps, and maybe even some wind can't really have much in t

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread Shoppa, Tim
Different folks here have promulgated a "high voltage point loss" model for antennas in trees. I think this could be a valid model for a doublet hung with wires directly touching wet tree branches, I'm sure at high enough power level this could burn away some of the tree probably at a high volta

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread donovanf
When I was a teenager chasing Gus Browning on 40 meters I caught a tree on fire at night because the end of my dipole was in some dead tree branches! My parents were not happy... 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Tim Shoppa" To: "Tom W8JI" , "Rick Stealey" , topband@co

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/8/2013 10:09 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: I caught a tree on fire at night because the end of my dipole was in some dead tree branches! One of the first antennas I hung when I moved here was a horizontal dipole for 80 with loading coils for 160M, built with THHN. One end was touchi

Re: Topband: Tree losses....

2013-08-08 Thread Roger Parsons
I just did a small and inelegant piece of modelling with EZNEC. I took a wire 128' vertical, and it showed a gain of about 1.7dBi over a particular ground. Keeping everything else the same, I introduced a 'tree' 3ft away from it, with no branches, exactly parallel, also 128' high and initiall