Re: Topband: Stew Perry Streaming Audio

2013-12-31 Thread Shoppa, Tim
I always set these software-based goals before the test, but funny how they get delayed in the face of driving kids around to acitivities and stringing up antennas in the trees, and then when the sun goes down and the contest starts swinging, all those pie in the sky virtual dreams evaporate in

Topband: CA/OR/AZ activity during Stew Perry - anecdotal data

2013-12-31 Thread Barry N1EU
I thought I'd share some data points from my Stew Perry log. Even though propagation to the west coast seemed good from upstate NY, I had the impression of less activity than expected from California so I looked closer at my log. What I found was 13 q's from California and 14 q's each from neighbo

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Tom W8JI
Well, I certainly have to agree, Tom, if the signal on the desired sideband is just a single shifting tone. Might get messier if an sudio stage or A/D is driven into limiting and producing harmonic distortion at audio, I guess. The entire thing for digital modes was poorly planned. I'm surpr

Topband: Digi Mode Spurious Issues

2013-12-31 Thread Tom Boucher
W8JI said: .as did KW with their KW2000 over here. Tom G3OLB _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/31/2013 7:13 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: Collins got burned by this. They tried running a pure audio tone into the SSB transmitter of the early S line to generate CW. The FCC (back How is this different than RTTY using the AFSK method? In my FT-1000D, if you try to use FSK mode for RTTY it tur

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
It's really not any different. The question is whether the levels and output are engineered clean, and KEPT that way. That can be done completely internally to a TRX and maintained. But when the (audio baseband) signal is generated external to the radio then all of the issues of off-level-for-op

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/30/2013 7:55 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: IMD **requires** two or more signals at once, and does not appear anything like sideband leakage. Actually, IMD can be produced by ANY keying waveform -- for example, the envelope of a CW or RTTY signal. To understand this, think of the keying envelope

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Tom W8JI
Actually, IMD can be produced by ANY keying waveform -- for example, the envelope of a CW or RTTY signal. Let's not divert the issue. A rise and fall is always composed of many frequencies making up sidebands, otherwise it would have no shaping. Even CW is an AM signal, when we look at rise

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Tom W8JI
How is this different than RTTY using the AFSK method? In my FT-1000D, if you try to use FSK mode for RTTY it turns out that the rig is still running AFSK, using an internal audio source. I've never looked at the FT1000, but I doubt that is a clean system. It would still be like a SSB transmit

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/31/2013 11:15 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: We are not talking about momentary sidebands generated during level transitions. We are talking about spurious signals up and down the band. You may be, but I am talking about the larger picture. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Mike Waters
As utterly simple as it is to shift a VFO, it's almost hard to believe that any major manufacturer would do it with audio. When I was heavily into HF RTTY software development years ago, it was a trivial thing to FSK my Collins 32S-3's VFO. I just connected one pin of the RS-232 port through a res

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/31/2013 11:21 AM, Tom W8JI wrote: I've never looked at the FT1000, but I doubt that is a clean system. It would still be like a SSB transmitter with audio signals if that is how they do it. It would be much better to actually shift a carrier, and not do the baseband audio signal run though

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: > . It would be much better to actually shift a carrier, and not do the > baseband audio signal run though a balanced modulator and then through a > sideband filter. Better yet to generate the best transition waveform in data (far more difficult

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread KB8NTY
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Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Grant Saviers
An interesting point from Tom re SSB modulation added problems. A really informative website re "plain old RTTY" is http://www.frontiernet.net/~aflowers/k3rtty/k3rtty.html and is a good introduction to the technical complexity of digital modulation systems and what to do to make "better" RTTY si

Re: Topband: Digial mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Mike Greenway
I don’t am still puzzled why the digital modes decided to use the 1837 to 1839 area with the size of the 160 M band. I know the SSB guys use a lot of the 1840-1900 area but 1900 to 2000 is usable isn’t it? I rarely hear much up there and 3 or 4 khz up there would never be missed. Probably not

Re: Topband: Digial mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 12/31/2013 5:10 PM, Mike Greenway wrote: > I don’t am still puzzled why the digital modes decided to use the > 1837to 1839 area with the size of the 160 M band. For the same reason the SSB guys insist on using 1840-1850 ... with their significantly smaller band (1810-1850 in some cases) Regio

Re: Topband: Digial mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Mike Waters
Absolutely! From what I see from my QTH in SW MO, 1845 would be a good place for JT65 to move to. There is a ragchew group that meets on 1850, but seldom is there much activity below that. I seldom listen much above 1900. Maybe you're right, that would be a better place. But they definitely need t

Re: Topband: Digital mode spurious issues

2013-12-31 Thread Tom W8JI
AFAIK, all non-DSP rigs with synthesizers work this way. Assuming you want the output frequency to be derived from the master clock frequency, there is no easy way to shift an RF carrier. You can't use a free running oscillator, because it won't be derived from the master clock frequency. You ca