Topband: Rig Comparisons

2014-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
Online chatter about what rigs were used at WRTC and why got me to pursuing something that's been bugging me for a long time -- the band pollution produced by many of today's transmitters. K6XX tackled it in talk to NCCC last fall, and over the weekend, when IOTA was slow (which was a lot of th

Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 139, Issue 17

2014-07-28 Thread Vaughn Worth via Topband
Back in 1986, I wrote an article for HAM RADIO MAGAZINE entitled, Multi- length Beverages. John Devoldre, ON4UN copied the article in his first " Low Band DXing " book. Willy K3VW In a message dated 7/27/2014 12:01:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, topband-requ...@contesting.com writes: Sen

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
In my experience, a 50% VF is associated with a wire lying on the ground and is in the lower end of measured VF's for wires laying on the ground. 45% is the lowest I have seen personally. A regular beverage up six to eight feet above ground will usually be 95% or better. A BOG cut to certain leng

Re: Topband: VE7BS Silent Key

2014-07-28 Thread W7RH
I'm sad to here the passing of Bob Eldridge VE7BS. Bob and I traded notes and had many technical discussions in the 70's much like Stew Perry and we met many times at Northwestern DX club meetings. He visited my Ham Shack in the early 80's when living in Seattle. We'll miss you signature on th

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Carl
There is really nothing new to explain. It has been established since the mid 1920's that the Beverage is a slow wave antenna, ie: it has a velocity factor, and at an electrical 50% VF it will reverse direction. It doesnt take much effort or math to compute the electrical length shortening of

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Mike Waters
Hi Jim, As we move the turns closer, we increase the velocity factor too much. At some point, the Slinky will receive off the opposite (feed) end. Tom explains it at www.w8ji.com/slinky_and_loaded_beverages.htm . And I just found this, where K5UO seems to say that his Slinky was about 12 turns pe

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Mike Waters
Carl, On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Carl wrote: > I knew that answer 20 years ago Mike. Perhaps someone has a large Slinky, > can count the turns and then give it back to his grandson (-: > Ok. I think the thing to do is just experiment with the length/pitch. Stretch it out along the rope, p

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Carl
Thats where a simple active homebrew combiner could be helpful instead of wasting $600 on a fancy box. When they get down to $200 or someone else duplicates the performance at that price Id be interested. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: "Yuri Blanarovich" To: "Richard (Rick) Ka

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
It makes difference on "regular" ground. Once I put up "killer" 1200 ft Beverages on a location on the top of the hill, with slightly sloping ground around. First night in the contest Inv Vee was beating them. Sloping terrain and long wires were likely producing low angles, way too low for prop

Re: Topband: Length of Beverages

2014-07-28 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
It makes difference on "regular" ground.  Once I put up "killer" 1200 ft Beverages on a location on the top of the hill, with slightly sloping ground around. First night in the contest Inv Vee was beating them. Sloping terrain and long wires were likely producing low angles, way too low for pr