Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Hi, Joe Sounds like things are3 progressing nicely! I also live on a small lot and I worked DX all over the world with and inverted L that only had two elevated resonant radials at 90 degrees to each other. Couple comments regarding you VSWR observations; 1.0 A perfectly tuned resonant inver

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Joe Galicic
Tom, I stopped using models years ago ! Even though my 160 antenna is probably less that 30% efficient it's amazing what I've worked with it so far. Granted the receive end is doing all of the heavy lifting. For me the fun of 160 is all about overcoming the challenges presented to me on a very s

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Tom W8JI
Hi Joe, Unfortunately all of that stuff renders any model or bandwidth prediction pretty much meaningless. Two antennas 40 feet apart on 160 are about like having two antennas 4 feet apart on 15 meters. We just have to do the best we can with the space we have, although the 40 ft long groun

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Joe Galicic
Tom there are many other things in the mix here. Five houses within 30-40 feet, Hi-Z receive antenna within 10 feet of transmit antennas, three other wire antennas sharing the same trees and air space. And yes the old L is still there at about 60 feet away. I don’t think I'm the only person in t

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Tom W8JI
I now notice much better receive and transmit performance than before. Before I added the radials the old L was louder in certain directions. That's not the case any more. The new L is louder now regardless of direction. So I'm heading in the right direction. I was able to work 3 new DX entit

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Joe Galicic
Update -- I've added 13 radials to my new L over last weekend. Ranging from 30 to 65 feet. Also connected radials to old radial field. New radials run over top of old the ones. Due to antenna placement and neighbors I can only run radials 90 degrees from the antenna base. Cant run radials 360

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The somewhat devastating report from NEC 4.2 offered by Mr Fry is all the more gloomy if one factors in the now-common acknowledgement that NEC 4.x underestimates ground losses with less than ideal radial configurations. Or stated another way, the gloomy NEC 4.2 report is the very best the bad situ

Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Fry
Yuri, Here is a link to a graphic showing a 3D view of the wire model, and the envelope of the total radiated fields. http://s20.postimg.org/6g3f49oml/L_with_Offset_Gnd.png R. Fry _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Yuri Blanarovich
Hi Richard, How does the radiation diagram, pattern look with offset radials? I would suspect some enhancement in the direction of the old radial field. (RF mirror) Do the numbers apply to overall average over 360 deg or is there variation in different directions. Yuri, K3BU.us      On Mon

Topband: Broadband Inverted L

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Fry
Joe N3HEE wrote: I moved my 160 inverted L to a tall tree in my backyard to get more vertical height. The vertical leg is now about 65 feet and the rest (65feet) is horizontal. Any feedback would be great. Thanks -Joe N3HEE __ A NEC4.2 model roughly approximating this system was