Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Tom W8JI
I think this is a wording issue. We all understand the difference between VF in the transmission line and VF in free space. What caused difficulty was the term "arriving at". I took this to mean "at the antenna" not free space, as there's no need to mention the antenna if the desired meaning was

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Gary K9GS
Does the length of a BOG scale linearly? In other words, 100' for 80M? On 10/1/2015 5:09 PM, Mike Waters wrote: I fully agree, Chuck. I forget the actual length, but IIRC, 200' is a commonly used length on 160. 400' or 500' of wire on the earth is much too long to work right on most types of gr

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Chuck, Of course, W8JI's reply is right on the mark. The Vf of the BOG affects only signals transiting the BOG wire in transmission line mode, it has no affect of the placement of BOG antennas in a phased array. Ideally the broadside spacing should be about 350 feet. End fire spacing sh

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Chuck Hutton
I think this is a wording issue. We all understand the difference between VF in the transmission line and VF in free space. What caused difficulty was the term "arriving at". I took this to mean "at the antenna" not free space, as there's no need to mention the antenna if the desired meaning was

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Tom W8JI
I believe there is a large influence of height above ground on VF. From a theoretical basis, this has been "known" since Wise's classic paper "Propagation Of High Frequency Currents In Ground Return Circuits" (1934). This was experimentally verified in the Litva and Rook report from the CRC (Can

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Mike Waters
I fully agree, Chuck. I forget the actual length, but IIRC, 200' is a commonly used length on 160. 400' or 500' of wire on the earth is much too long to work right on most types of ground. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote: > Frank: > I believe there is a

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Chuck Hutton
Frank: I believe there is a large influence of height above ground on VF. >From a theoretical basis, this has been "known" since Wise's classic paper >"Propagation Of High Frequency Currents In Ground Return Circuits" (1934). This was experimentally verified in the Litva and Rook report from the

Re: Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Art, Signals arriving at the BOGs are not travelling in the ground, therefore their velocity of propagation (Vp) is unaffected by the ground. B roadside spacing should be 350 feet. Echelon spacing should be 70 to 130 feet, using W8JI crossfire- echelon phasing. 140 foot spacing signif

Topband: BOG question

2015-10-01 Thread Art Snapper
I was thinking about phased BOGs. Would the horizontal spacing and/or stagger between them, be reduced due to the Vp change from ground proximity? Art NK8X ᐧ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband