Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread James Rodenkirch
>From what little I've read - I am a "newbie" to 160 meter operating,- I gather >a band plan carries little "weight," in the bigger schemes of things? Below is the 160 band plan, courtesy of that august group, the ARRL: 160 Meters (1.8-2.0 MHz) 1.800 - 2.000 CW 1.800 - 1.810 Digital Modes 1.810

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Roger Parsons via Topband
Tom Perhaps you are correct in suggesting that only one SSB contest in the whole year impacts significantly on 160m CW activity. Therefore, for all contests and QSO parties other than CQ 160 SSB, the competitors will not be affected at all if the organisers prohibit SSB operation below 1820 kHz

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Don Beattie
But Roger, unless I have missed something, in regards to your PS, do not most of the rarer DXpeditions on 160 work split? I agree the volume of callers should keep the calling channel clear, but it's also necessary to hear the DX! So wouldn't some guard channel be very helpful in those situati

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread mstangelo
That is the band plan for the US in ITU Region2.. The problem is different ITU regions and countries have different 160 meter assignments. I common worldwide allocation will mitigate lots of these issues. We should urge our IARU representatives to work towards a common 1.8 to 2 Mhz 160 meter ba

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Don Beattie
Mike - I agree the objective, but the reality is a little harder! The 160 allocations across Europe, for example, vary widely. 1800-1810 is not generally part of the allocated spectrum. Various countries have various parts of the band with varying power privileges (you'll have seen http://www.iaru

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Greg - ZL3IX
So far I have remained silent on this topic, although I do have a very strong view, as follows. I can understand the need for SSB operators to 'leak' downwards into the CW exclusive part of the band during a contest. I would even say take over two thirds of the CW only segment and come down

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread mstangelo
Don, You efforts are appreciated. I can understand the hurdles involved. Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Don Beattie To: mstang...@comcast.net, 'James Rodenkirch' Cc: 'Top Band Contesting' Sent: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 16:27:06 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: Am I the only one in ste

Topband: Fw: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Roger Parsons via Topband
Hi Don Yes I agree, they usually do. In contests some do and some don't - you know that way better than me. I think that the distinction is that everybody is on the same mode. So that when a potential CQer says 'QRL?' there are a few ms available to say yes. With mixed modes that is not pos

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread James Rodenkirch
Appreciate the reminder re Region 2, Mike.but..will a "common plan" amongst all IARU regions, if not adhered to by participants (evidenced here in Region 2), be "worth the effort" to bring about??? Again, I am a newbie to 160 AND a QRP operator so DXCC entities, to me, mean anything wes

Re: Topband: Fw: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Pete Bertini
Six and Two Meters have restricted 100 kHz CW bands at the low end. Both bands cover 4 MHz. I doubt either band has ever had the user density that 160 meters has exhibited at any point in history. It seems odd to me that 160 meters shouldn't be allowed an exclusive FCC CW assignment for at le

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Ashton Lee
I’m impressed that you could hear the US SSB stations. I have never heard NZ on 160. > On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Greg - ZL3IX wrote: > > So far I have remained silent on this topic, although I do have a very strong > view, as follows. > > I can understand the need for SSB operators to 'lea

Re: Topband: Fw: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,3/1/2016 10:03 AM, Pete Bertini wrote: It seems odd to me that 160 meters shouldn't be allowed an exclusive FCC CW assignment for at least 20 to 50 kHz on the bottom edge? Have you slept through the many emails in this thread noting that many hams in different parts of the world have v

Re: Topband: Fw: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Pete Bertini
Oh, boo hoo. So reduce the CW band to 10 kHz. Geeez. - Original Message - From: "Jim Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Fw: Am I the only one in step? On Tue,3/1/2016 10:03 AM, Pete Bertini wrote: It seems odd to me that 160 meters shouldn't

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread mstangelo
James, Let's assume region 1 and 3 allow high power SSB operation above 1.850 Mhz and CQ "recommends" that operators say above 1.850 Mhz and away from the 1.910 QRP or 1.995-2.000 experimental segments. Will contesters follow that recommendation? Probably not. I base my conclusion on experienc

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Don, I was surprised to see some very active countries cannot operate above 1850 kHz at all; for example: 9K CT F LZ SV TA TF ZS Severe power restrictions above 1850 are very common as are restrictions on SSB operation below 1840. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message ---

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Ed Sawyer
It is common practice in the CQ WW 160M Contest for CQing on the NA and EU side to occur in the 1810 - 1825 range. I was doing so twice in the contest last weekend. It was pretty much every 3khz CQing in the range both Friday and Saturday nights including NA and EU CQing stations. For the last 5

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Roger Parsons via Topband
A few more comments seem necessary: I do of course agree strongly with Greg ZL3IX. The only reason I am arguing for a smaller CW segment is that there is very strong entrenched opposition from the contesting community to any change whatsoever, and I am trying to be more than reasonable. Mike

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Ed, Despite your experience, Europe can't call you on 1811 LSB either... Operators in those European countries with SSB priveleges below 1840 can only call you on a suppressed carrier frequency of about 1813 otherwise they're transmitting significant energy outside their 160 meter ham b

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,3/1/2016 2:01 PM, Roger Parsons via Topband wrote: OK, so there is no reason at all from a contester's perspective why all the contests and QSO parties that have low 160m usage should not have SSB restricted to 1820 and above, and I would appreciate your help in achieving this. My que

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread jcjacob...@q.com
Yo, Have we beat this poor horse to death yet??? It's all interesting, but I think we're starting to go over ground already covered. Plus, somehow, we've dragged VHF freqs into the discussion. (Let the flames begin, so to speak) K9WN Jake _ Topband Reflector Archives - h

Re: Topband: Am I the only one in step?

2016-03-01 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi, I am resurrecting an aging, 'Rip VanWinkle" radio that includes 160 meters. I was finally ready to apply power for a first test and all of those naughty SSB contesters on 160 meters provided me with a lot of test "fodder" on the receive side. I wish to thank all of the SSB contesters for

Topband: Ground screen ????

2016-03-01 Thread Douglas Ruz (CO8DM)
Hi, Need some ideas from your side... I am trying to find a good solution for my 160/80m antenna. I am thinking about some kind of Inv L with an 80m trap as a radiator for both bands. But, what about the counterpoise...Unfortunately in my small city lot I can´t install radials and I can´t get

Re: Topband: Ground screen ????

2016-03-01 Thread Brad Rehm
Douglas, You certainly can use the galvanized roof as a ground screen. It might be a good idea to measure resistance between sheets to get an idea of how well they're all tied together electrically. If they're not, you might see some odd shifts in VSWR when you send RF through it. Another poten

Re: Topband: Ground screen ????

2016-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,3/1/2016 7:29 PM, Brad Rehm wrote: You certainly can use the galvanized roof as a ground screen. Certainly can is FAR too optimistic a statement. Poor connections between segments of the roof will do more than cause SWR shifts, they will create intermod, which could make you unpopular

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Ground screen ????

2016-03-01 Thread Grant Saviers
I've had two verticals on galvanized metal roofs. An 80m top loaded 40' 3" irrigation pipe on a two pitch steep barn roof about 30 x 60' and a full size 1/4wl 40m on a essentially flat roof shed 26 x 26'. The 80m worked super even though the roof was in bad shape. I did add a number of sheet