Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Ron Spencer
Taking the chance to show my ignorance :) Here is my thinking. While adding cores along the length of a beverage may make it appear electrically longer, how can that help its performance? I'd think that the true mechanical length is what matters. Each inch/ foot/ meter of the wire is what "gather

Topband: Several BOG questions

2018-08-06 Thread Mikek
 I have installed a 253ft Bog,  I used WD-1A a pair and just twisted the two wires together. Any reason I should separate the pair and just use a single wire? Can the WD-1A be used for a Bi-directional BOG, or is the spacing too close? I have installed a variable termination on the North end of

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread donovanf
Hi Ron, A short Beverage -- regardless of its velocity factor -- has the radiation pattern of a short Beverage. You can't improve the performance of a Beverage antenna by lowering its velocity factor. That's why BOGs have a radiation pattern similar to an elevated Beverage of the same length

Re: Topband: Several BOG questions

2018-08-06 Thread donovanf
Hi Mike, Congratulations on your first post regarding BOGs. They're a great antenna when stealth is the driving requirement, but here are better choices when stealth isn't so important. The front-to-back ratio of a BOG results mainly from its laying on the ground. A signal arriving from t

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread n4is
>> A BOG is an excellent choice when stealth is the driving requirement, otherwise arrays of short verticals provide significantly superior performance compared to BOG or short Beverage occupying the same physical space. << Hi Frank Any particular reason you don't mentioned FLAG's, or EWE's? F

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2018-08-06 4:16 PM, n...@n4is.com wrote: Vertical arrays are mono band. You need one for 160 , another for 80, and if you want 40 and 30 two more. Also they needs a lot of phasing cables and a large real state area far from constructions. Far from it ... the YCCC "9 circle" is a phased

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread lee
First let me apologize if you get this e-mail twice as I have been having problems with MSN.com. Hi JC, Not all vertical arrays are mono band. A well built 4-square on a 60 foot per side can do a stellar job on 160, 80, and 40 meters while extending well down into the broadcast band. The 3 el

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Lloyd - N9LB
Let me chime in here too, I have a partial YCCC vertical array and two R-BOGs. Both of these RX systems work well at my QTH. For the YCCC vertical array I used the 60 foot from the center spacing ( 120 feet total distance ) works very well 160m-30m. The R-BOGs ( Reversible BOGs ) are around 2

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread n4is
<< Sometimes the YCCC is better and sometimes the BOGs are better for 80m or 160m. >> That's for me is a very low performance. The good Horizontal Flag can dig signals 22 db below the vertical TX array. A simple K9AY does what you mentioned too. I heard 316 countries on 160m last 10 years, t

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Tim Childers K9CQ
I have been using the Hi-Z 3 element at 50 foot spacing that Lee designed. I can tell you that the results for me were amazing and it gives you 6 directions. It works quite well on 40, 80 and 160. You can also find them at DX Engineering. Tim, K9CQ -Original Message- From: l...@k7

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Edward via Topband
What about Array Solutions ASL-30? Thanks, Ed > On Aug 6, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Tim Childers K9CQ wrote: > > I have been using the Hi-Z 3 element at 50 foot spacing that Lee designed. I > can tell you that the results for me were amazing and it gives you 6 > directions. It works quite well on 40

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread WW3S
I put a 3 ele hi z array up last fall, and it's not worth a tinkers damat least to me.may be some local noiseit certainly has directivity, at least on the bcb, so so on 80, but on 160, which was my primary interest, never worked well, never better than my reversible ewe, which is pro

Re: Topband: Several BOG questions

2018-08-06 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Mike et al, BOGs have a well deserved reputation for being cantankerous, with great results for K4ABCD over here and awful results for K3WXYZ over there. There is a part of the explanation for that variation that really isn't fixable. But better outcomes are possible with a more detailed explan

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Cecil Acuff
I had one, Pain in the butt to put up, works well, is directional but at my site I’ve never been able to find a RX antenna that heard any better than my inverted L. Including the SAL-30. I’ve tried a K9AY, a BOG and no joy. I had a HI-Z 4Sq that I bought back when you could buy them as a kit.

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Phil Duff
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Cecil Acuff wrote: > Wish I could find an effective RX antenna that showed a great s/n > improvement over the L. > Look into a magnetic loop such as the design by N6RK as described in a past NCJ: http://www.n6rk.com/loopantennas/NCJ_loop_antenna_N6RK.pdf I use

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Hi JC, Not all vertical arrays are mono band. A well built 4-square on a 60 foot per side can do a stellar job on 160, 80, and 40 meters while extending well down into the broadcast band. The 3 element as well as the 4-square based 8 element on an 85 foot diameter circle will do the same thin

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Gary Smith
In my location the HI-Z 3 element worked so well on 160 (and up) that I later bought a HI-Z 8 element to use alongside the triangular. Both are invaluable and I'm keeping both. 73, Gary KA1J > I put a 3 ele hi z array up last fall, and it's not worth a tinkers > damat least to me.may

Re: Topband: making a bev seem longer

2018-08-06 Thread Chortek, Robert L.
Not to hijack the thread, but... My Hi-Z Array works reasonably well in 160 (despite being only 40’ per side) and very well on both 80 and 40. It has allowed me to work many countries on 80 and 160 I would not otherwise have been able to hear. To me, it was worth the effort. 73, Bob AA6VB