Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread Roger Kennedy
Very interesting reading all the comments . . . Bear in mind that MY Dipoles have always been pretty low, around 50ft. Also that the British stations I have done proper comparisons with all have decent verticals, typically at least 70ft high and over 40 quarter wave radials. (you would recognis

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread n4is
Sorry , but all antenna's on 160m are close to the ground and it is the case, you can check by yourself using EZENEC if you don't know how to calculate the fields. There is no misleading here. 73 JC N4IS -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of John Kaufmann Sent: Monday, Novemb

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread lennart.michaelsson
This reminds me of the fine signals 3Y0X was producing on 160 back in February 2006. They were using a 3 el horisontal beam 4 ft above the ice... 73 Len SM7BIC -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Topband För Roger Kennedy Skickat: den 27 november 2018 11:39 Till: topband@contesting.com Ämne:

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread John Kaufmann
In considering the *total power* radiated by any antenna, you need to look at the 3-dimensional antenna pattern, not a 2-dimensional slice. The total radiated power is the 3-dimensional integration of the 3-dimensional radiation pattern. It is convenient to do this in spherical coordinates becaus

Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread Roger Kennedy
Yes, but according to EZNEC, a 160m dipole at 50ft produces very little radiation at low angles, compared to one at 150ft. But I'm sceptical about the accuracy of EZNEC with such a low antenna, as it's just based on theory . . . I'm not convinced it can accurately model the real-world situation

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread n4is
John The issue here is not math. It is the interaction of fields and matter. A good text book is Electromagnetic waves and radiating system by Edward C Jordan and Keith G. Balmain. Chapter 9. You can not ignore the close proximity with ground on 160m antennas for both transmit signal and r

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread John Kaufmann
JC, You said: " Every dipole or inverted V irradiate 50% of the power horizontal polarized broadside with the wire and 50% of the power vertical polarized along the wire." You cited EZNEC as evidence. I am merely pointing out that as a general rule, this is not true. The issue *is* math becau

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread n4is
Hi John On EZNEC for sure 3D. do not use total field, under description select horizontal and vertical field only and see the red line , vertical field and green line horizontal field, use real ground. Look it again. 73's JC -Original Message- From: John Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, Nove

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX

2018-11-27 Thread n4is
John I think I understand where we disagree. Most low dipoles on 160m are 30 to 60 ft high, 1/4 wave high is not low for most stations. Very few can afford a dipole at 120 ft high. You right 50% is a ball parking number but it brings the attention to the importance of 3D and separation between ho

Re: Topband: Vertical antennas aren't always best for DX everywhere - the facts

2018-11-27 Thread GEORGE WALLNER
There is no such things as "best antenna". When I lived in Arizona, I had on a hill-top a doublet with 300 foot arms at 100 foot height (effectively more because of the hill-top). I used it both as a doublet and as a vertical T (with the two wires of the ladder line shorted). It had about 40 ra

Re: Topband: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread Mike Waters
Hi Paul, Happy to! That's my problem too, lots of trees too close together. This is the drone I ordered: https://www.amazon.com/DROCON-Brushless-minutes-Quadcopter-Distance/dp/B06XTNS8HF/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1508031043&sr=1-4&keywords=mjx+bugs+3+BLUE&linkCode=sl1&tag=dglo

Re: Topband: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread MrToby
I test drove this method with a DJI Phantom and a remote release triggered by flashing the drone's running lights. The drone had no problem carrying 1/8" nylon rope 100' into sky and releasing. Marshall, AA0FO On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 2:32 PM Mike Waters Hi Paul, > > Happy to! That's my problem to

Re: Topband: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread AB2E Darrell
Hi Mike, FB on the drone to string the line. Best of luck with it. In case the initial 3/16 line is too heavy for the drone, I have a suggestion that might help. I too mostly use 3/16 line for tree antenna projects. I use an air cannon made by a local, which has a fishing reel, and I use Daiwa b

Re: Topband: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread Mike Waters
Oooh! Thanks! I didn't think of that. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 2:43 PM Tree wrote: > Trying to picture how you bring a line down from the top of a tree with a > drone... without it getting snagged. Guess you need a weight of some kind > to pull the rope down and away from

Topband: Fwd: Re: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread terry burge
Interesting about the drones. I want to get one or maybe have someone who runs them take a video of my tower and place. High quality video that is. If you ever watch youtube/Andrew Caramata doing his property management/excavation stuff you will be amazed by how long his video are and the distan

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread WW3S
There are some amazing drone videos on K3LR website Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2018, at 5:11 PM, terry burge wrote: > > Interesting about the drones. I want to get one or maybe have someone who > runs them take a video of my tower and place. High quality video that is. If > you ever watch

Topband: Wednesday 160m DX Activity Night

2018-11-27 Thread Roger Kennedy
It's so frustrating that you always hear hundreds of stations on Top Band whenever there's a contest on, or when there's some DX-pedition active on the band . . . yet most of the time the band is dead ! I find it even more frustrating that there's often people posting lots stations that are on t

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Drone and pulley

2018-11-27 Thread Grant Saviers
The are a number of drone remote releases available. Given the small payload capacity of cheap drones the weight is critical for everything - line + release + sinker. The polyethylene woven fishing line has amazing strength and low weight. I use it for my tennis ball launcher to top 120' str