Topband: At least four more years of solar minimum?

2018-12-07 Thread donovanf
NOAA updated its predictions for smoothed sunspot numbers and solar flux through the end of 2022. As of last month, their predictions ended in 2019. Their prediction shows a smoothed sunspot number of 10 for December 2018, declining to 2 in July 2020 through January 2021, then 1 during

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Martin Kratoska
Harris uses BNCs at this power level (3CX-1500A7) in RF-353 (AM-7224) amplifier. They were used under harsh conditions for decades. 73, Martin, OK1RR Dne 08. 12. 18 v 3:07 Tim Duffy napsal(a): When you look at an N connector, specifically the center pin - remember that the N connector center

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
What helps is filling a connector with silicone dielectric grease. Cheaper than dry nitrogen and the rest of the stuff needed with it. :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:40 PM vk2wf wrote: > Hi allIn my past life I used to service Hagenuk ATUs for the navy. > Internally a BNC

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
Here's two photos behind my modified antenna switch. www.w0btu.com/files/misc/F-connector_1500+W/ Towards the red antenna switch is a short, brown-jacketed section of RG-59; then a double-female F barrel; and then black F-6 which goes outdoors to my transmit antennas. The brown RG-59 gets

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread vk2wf
Hi allIn my past life I used to service Hagenuk ATUs for the navy. Internally a BNC connector was used for main feed. It was a nominal 1kw device but it was pressurized to 14psi with nitrogen. 73Adrian vk2wf  Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S7 on the Telstra Mobile Network Original

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
Hi Tim! That's an excellent thought, but some people do it. As a side point, I run 1500 watts (>2000 into a dummy load!) *through F connectors* and F-6 coax. They don't get the *least* bit warm, even after I smell the transformer oil fumes! You just have to be careful (but you know that ;-).

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/7/2018 6:07 PM, Tim Duffy wrote: W6NL asked me this question - would you run 1500 watts with BNC connectors? Tim K3LR Actually, I have gotten away with BNC connectors on 160 meters at 1500W for decades. YMMV! 73 Rick N6RK _ Searchable Archives:

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Tim Duffy
When you look at an N connector, specifically the center pin - remember that the N connector center pin is the same as the center pin of a BNC connector. W6NL asked me this question - would you run 1500 watts with BNC connectors? 73 Tim K3LR (Only 7-16 DIN and TONS of "quality" UHF connectors

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
Thank you, Frank and Steve! I just learned something useful. :-) I bought these N plugs in the early 1980s from Nemal Electronics. Perhaps what you are describing was not available then? (That's a rhetorical question. ;-) If I ever get back on VHF/UHF, I'll get those. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread donovanf
Hi Mike, Captivated pin N connectors for hardline coax fits tightly over the center conductor. Captivated pin N connectors for flexible coax typically has a pin that requires solder. Floating pin N connectors belong in the trash bin. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message -

Re: Topband: K9AY Box, 6 pin din Pin-out

2018-12-07 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I'm assuming the center pin is the 6 pin and the 1-5 either go counter or clockwise. The center pin is pin 6 however, the other five are not numbered sequentially due to backward compatibility with numbering for the *three pin* DIN. From Wikipedia: The 3/180° and 5/180° connectors were

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Steve Maki
Hmm, how do solder that center pin if you can't pull it out of the connector? If it comes out of the connector easily, it's not a true captured pin connector (which is made for solid center conductor coax like LMR-400, LDF4, etc.), not RG-213, etc. -Steve K8LX On 12/07/18 19:10 PM, Mike

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Steve Maki
Well here's the advantage of captivated center pins: the pin is NOT bonded to the center conductor. IOW, if the coax center conductor shrinks a bit, it can slide in the center pin and the pin stays put. And that's exactly what you want it to do - especially with an N connector. -Steve K8LX

Topband: K9AY Box, 6 pin din Pin-out

2018-12-07 Thread Bill Gillenwater
I have acquired the AYtechnologies K9AY system boxes. This is a used unit but in excellent shape. The 6 pin din plug on the back of the control box is not numbered. Is the pin-out standard? 5 pins with a center pin above the connector "key" notch. Don't want to hook this up backwards, hi.

Re: Topband: Fwd: Re: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
Very well said indeed, Bruce!! :-) 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 1:47 PM F Z_Bruce wrote: > > Both types become quite reliable when assembled with a high degree of care. > > Large temperature variations/freezing can be a problem. > > 73 > Bruce -k1fz > > _

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread donovanf
Hello Arunas, While the relatively new 4.3-10 family of "mini DIN" connectors is far superior to any connectors we've discussed in this thread, their cost is nearly ten times higher. On the other hand, the much bulkier 7/16 DIN connectors offer similar high performance and they're widely

Topband: Fwd: Re: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread F Z_Bruce
Both types become quite reliable when assembled with a high degree of care. Large temperature variations/freezing can be a problem. 73 Bruce -k1fz   On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 09:37:42 -0500, MU 4CX250B <4cx2...@miamioh.edu> wrote: Interesting discussion, and I appreciate the many viewpoints.

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Mike Waters
Exactly my experience, even with captivated pins!! And my coax runs were only about 100' long. The captivating washers were made of Teflon®, *and Teflon cold flows*. This was when I lived in Toledo, Ohio when the temperature dropped well below zero. Four photos of those N connectors are at

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread James Wolf
Interesting Arunas, 73, Jim - KR9U -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of ly...@qrz.lt Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 6:39 AM To: topband@contesting.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/7/2018 9:44 AM, herr42 wrote: Never seen uhf connectors in military.  Lots of N tho My two 500 foot RG-216 military surplus cables both eventually exhibited retracted pins on the type N connectors at both ends. I replaced them with PL-259's. My 150 foot RG-218 military

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread herr42
Never seen uhf connectors in military.  Lots of N tho Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: j...@kk9a.com Date: 12/7/18 9:13 AM (GMT-08:00) To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

Re: Topband: Recommended Relays

2018-12-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/7/2018 12:53 AM, k...@radioprism.com wrote: (1500W) "...has excellent RF properties..." "In more than 20,000 hours of 24 x 7 operation with the four StationPro's in the author's station, there has not been a single relay failure." A somewhat more robust relay is the Omron MJN

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259

2018-12-07 Thread j...@kk9a.com
Perhaps you are looking at the N connector lead, the actual pin where RF flows is Ø.120 which is not much smaller than a UHF connector (Ø.156). I use a number of N connectors at my station and have no issues. John KK9A - W4AAA Bruce w8hw wrote: I worked in the commercial/industrial radio and

Re: Topband: Recommended Relays

2018-12-07 Thread Grant Saviers
My 160m T tuner uses 3x Schrack PCB SPST relays. 900w FT8 and full QRO SSB. No problems in 4 years. 12vdc PCB relay by Schrack (RZ01-1A4-D012) with a plastic arm from the coil armature to the contacts that is rated 5000v coil to contact isolation, 12a at 250vac switching, and has redundant

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread MU 4CX250B
Interesting discussion, and I appreciate the many viewpoints. One consideration, when weighing N-connectors vs PL259s, is what happens to the cable after the connector is attached. Nobody disputes that an N-Connector properly installed on, e.g. a length of Heliax running up the side of a

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread Bruce
I worked in the commercial/industrial radio and broadcasting for 40 plus years. While it it true that type-n is mostly used, we must remember that hams deal with high power and high SWR sometimes, both are not type-N strong points because of the small pin used in type-N can not handle the high

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread Cecil Acuff
The only coaxial cable (braided shield) I use are the Times LMR products or equivalent with the LMR connectors. They have the captivated center pins...no issues whether jumpers or cable runs up antenna supporting structures. On hardline (non-air) the center conductor is bonded to the foam so

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread Cecil Acuff
That crazyI’m in the utility industry and Andrew LDF cable terminated with Type N connectors by the thousands, outside for years and no issues. Many with the old solder on type N connectors for 1/2” and more recently the newer simplified ring stop connectors and no problems for either.

Re: Topband: Rather use N-type (was Re: The answer to PL-259 soldering/reliability problems)

2018-12-07 Thread ly2ij
There is new connector already widely used in cellular market - 4.3-10. Designed to get rid of Intermodulation problems - outer contact is torque independent. Size is +- same as N/ UHF connector, inner pin is about 3mm in diameter, graph shows 6 kW at 100 MHz at perfect mach.

Re: Topband: Recommended Relays

2018-12-07 Thread k3ky
Hi, All- Looking back at some of the better construction articles I've saved in recent years, this one stands out: "The StationPro Master Station Controller" by W8ZR in QST, August 2010, page 30-34. He likes to do things up nice, and it sure shows in the finished product. It looks professional.

Topband: Rather use N-type

2018-12-07 Thread Robert Parkes via Topband
Interesting and inconvenient, but I wonder if the problem is partly our expectation for the cable to encounter various temperature gradients. There could be various expansion coefficients at play across the cable, Sheath, Braid, Dielectric (nylon/foam) and Core. When you think of the