Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread Tim Shoppa
Frank, Rick, I found my ".wav" files doing similar to what AB7E does. Except that his has MP3 raspy artifacts all over the place and mine doesn't. Take a listen to his and mine AB7E MP3: http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/0_1_2_3_4_5_6_db.mp3 N3QE WAV: Sum of morse + noise:

Re: Topband: Inverted L - newbie questions

2019-08-21 Thread N4ZR
Jumper was 1 foot. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. On 8/21/2019 12:47 PM, WW3S wrote: Where did you connect the analyzer? You want it as close as

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2019-08-21 2:22 PM, Ed Sawyer wrote: So I don't see anything preventing someone from seeing and clicking on half a dozen calls before bedtime and waking up with all or many of them worked. No to press the subject but "contemporaneous" in the new rules would prevent that. 73, ... Joe,

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Tree
This is one of those topics that will create a firestorm of opinions. We just had a similar one about FT*. The management of this list has decided not to support a similar discussion at this time. There are two ways to do this - I asked. Or I have to go into moderation mode which slows

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Ed Sawyer
Actually, I think this topic is very relevant to the "fringe bands" like 160M and 6M. The way I read the purposely non-detailed direction from the board "contemporaneous direct initiation by the operator on both sides of the contact.". With the known software in mind, that would look to

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/21/2019 8:16 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: These recordings are an impressive demonstration of the benefit of one dB of signal strength improvement in a weak signal situation. Click on the links on this website: www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html 73 Frank W3LPL It seems to me

Re: Topband: Inverted L - newbie questions

2019-08-21 Thread WW3S
Where did you connect the analyzer? You want it as close as possible to the feed point, with as little length of coax jumper as possible. Even a 6 ft jumper can skew the results, been there done that Sent from my iPad > On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > > An inverted L

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread K9FD
Martin the article Part 1 starts in Sept 1966 and there are a number of articles after that,  up to Part 4,  and even another article in 1980 and 1981, but I had to log into ARRL to be able to search and read those. I have no idea if they are available from some other source. 73 Merv K9FD

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread Billy Cox
Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening All, I believe this references the original W3AFM series of QST articles in 1966? If so ... try this link please: http://www.rfcafe.com/references/qst/station-design-dx-september-1966-qst.htm 73 de Billy, AA4NU > > On August 21, 2019 at 11:38 AM K9FD

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread K9FD
Martin I am sorry I do not know when that article was published,  I have moved QTH and gave away all my old QSTs.   Will try and find it in the on-line archives,  but think you have to be a member to read those archives.   Perhaps someone knows where else it could be found. 73 Merv k9FD What

Re: Topband: Inverted L - newbie questions

2019-08-21 Thread Jeff Blaine
An inverted L without radials is a random length wire and the measurements are of no meaning until there is a ground system to make up the other half of the antenna. But to Wes point, the 259 and big 160m antennas is a recipe for going nuts.  You don't even need a high powered BC station -

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread Martin Kratoska
What QST? Would be a copy available? 73, Martin, OK1RR Dne 21. 08. 19 v 18:24 K9FD napsal(a): An excellent article is in an old QST called "station design for DX" It mentions that 1 DB improvement in the station will provide a whole new layer of DX signals.   Very true. In the average station

Re: Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread K9FD
An excellent article is in an old QST called "station design for DX" It mentions that 1 DB improvement in the station will provide a whole new layer of DX signals.   Very true. In the average station you can easily find several DB that can be gained. If your into DX think of all your missing. I

Re: Topband: Inverted L - newbie questions

2019-08-21 Thread Wes
How many high-powered BC stations do you have around? Wes  N7WS On 8/21/2019 8:55 AM, N4ZR wrote: I just put up an inverted L, with a vertical length of about 60 feet, and a total of 135 feet.  It is fed through 16 turns of RG-400 on a ferrite core at the base. There are, as yet, no radials.

Topband: Inverted L - newbie questions

2019-08-21 Thread N4ZR
I just put up an inverted L, with a vertical length of about 60 feet, and a total of 135 feet.  It is fed through 16 turns of RG-400 on a ferrite core at the base. There are, as yet, no radials. Because I was impatient to see what was going on, I grounded the shield to a single copper-plated

Topband: Impressive demonstration of one dB of signal strength improvement

2019-08-21 Thread donovanf
These recordings are an impressive demonstration of the benefit of one dB of signal strength improvement in a weak signal situation. Click on the links on this website: www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "David Gilbert" To:

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts"outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Cecil
If you expected FT8 to be disallowed in whole...that's not happening. Cecil K5DL Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Aug 21, 2019 9:56 AM, k...@radioprism.com wrote: > > In other words, NO CHANGE. Non-audible contacts still count > for DXCC. In a word, disgusting. Also disappointing. >

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts"outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread k3ky
In other words, NO CHANGE. Non-audible contacts still count for DXCC. In a word, disgusting. Also disappointing. I stopped participating in the DXCC awards a while back, anyway. This ugly reality assures there is ZERO chance I would ever participate in that program again. The Dickensian

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Tree
This is a test. PLEASE let's not start this thread up here. It is not a topband specific issue. Thanks. The Management On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:30 AM Michael Walker wrote: > Dave > > A better definition of Robot is required..(this is not related to remote -- > a remote is a long mic cord)

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
The same way the enforce all the other enforceable rules in the program.  The best they can.  It is a shame that in a hobby people feel the need to break the rules and play games to get awards, win contests, etc. W0MU On 8/21/2019 8:14 AM, Cecil wrote: I'd be curious to know how they plan

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Michael Walker
Found it Mike va3mw 35. Ms, Jairam moved, seconded by Mr. Williams: WHEREAS, there has been a growing concern over fully automated contacts being made and claimed for DXCC credit, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, on the recommendation of the Programs and Services Committee, the Board directs that

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Michael Walker
Dave A better definition of Robot is required..(this is not related to remote -- a remote is a long mic cord) Yes, there are versions of WSJTx that have been compiled that are 100%. You go to bed and you see who you worked in the morning. Yes, this is wrong. But, is a WSJTx in its current

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Cecil
I'd be curious to know how they plan to enforce that decision. Cecil K5DL Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Aug 21, 2019 8:22 AM, jayb1...@optonline.net wrote: > > Does this “outlawing” apply to REMOTE RADIO also ? is that a “Robot” ? or > does it mean QSOs made without operator

Re: Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread JAYB1943
Does this “outlawing” apply to REMOTE RADIO also ? is that a “Robot” ? or does it mean QSOs made without operator intervention or control ? Operating without operator control has always been “outlawed” by the FCC I believe ? jay ny2ny _ Searchable Archives:

Topband: FYI Robot contacts "outlawed" by ARRL

2019-08-21 Thread Artek Manuals
ALL Pursuant to the discussion a few weeks ago about robot  contacts ( and to some degree robot digi contacts since that mode is most conducive) . As of the July board meeting the ARRL has officially disallowed robot contacts ( in any mode) for contest and DXCC credit. It was not mentioned