Re: Topband: YCCC 9 Vertical Array Preamplifiers

2020-03-01 Thread w5zn
Allow me to clarify my post. I was referring to the high impedance amplifiers at the vertical elements, not the 2N5109 preamp used sometimes post combiner. 73 Joel W5ZN On 2020-03-01 20:27, w...@w5zn.org wrote: As an alternative to the 2N5109 preamps, last year I acquired a set of HiZ

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 7:44 PM, Don Kirk wrote: Hi Rick, My first example is why NVIS can be useful.  I often can't hear stations 150 miles away on 160 meters using my TX vertical, but they are booming in on my pennant that has a much better response to higher angle signals (I could definitely

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Augie "Gus" Hansen
On 3/1/2020 7:47 PM, Don Kirk wrote: Hi Rick, One more comment. I believe AM broadcast stations try to avoid phase cancellation between skywave and ground wave, and therefore they try and avoid antennas that have a high angle lobe. I'm pretty sure that's why the AM broadcast stations that

Topband: YCCC 9 Vertical Array Preamplifiers

2020-03-01 Thread w5zn
As an alternative to the 2N5109 preamps, last year I acquired a set of HiZ preamps to use on my YCCC 9 Circle array elements. They work exceptionally well and exhibit a lower noise figure that I experienced with the original YCCC amps. I mentioned this solely for information with no other

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Don Kirk
Hi Rick, My first example is why NVIS can be useful. I often can't hear stations 150 miles away on 160 meters using my TX vertical, but they are booming in on my pennant that has a much better response to higher angle signals (I could definitely generate more points in a 160 meter contest if I

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Cecil
Good info Lee...thanks for the support! Cecil K5DL Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Lee STRAHAN wrote: > >  Hi Guys, > I got advance information of the 2N5109 and its cousin the 2N3866 > transistors demise. I used the 2N3866 in my older design Hi-Z 75 ohm preamp > so

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Hi Guys, I got advance information of the 2N5109 and its cousin the 2N3866 transistors demise. I used the 2N3866 in my older design Hi-Z 75 ohm preamp so this transistor should suffice in most preamps that used the the 2N5109 . I bought a good supply of the 2N3866 devices and can offer

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 6:47 PM, Don Kirk wrote: Hi Rick, One more comment.  I believe AM broadcast stations try to avoid phase cancellation between skywave and ground wave, and therefore they try and avoid antennas that have a high angle lobe.  I'm pretty sure that's why the AM broadcast stations

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Mike Waters
So did I! Ordered ten a few minutes ago. Good thing this discussion came up, as the TRW LT1001A CATV transistor in my station's W7IUV preamp has long been unobtainium. (I got a few from W8JI over 40 years ago, and this is the only one I have left!) I could have sworn that I had some new 2N5109s

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Don Kirk
Hi Rick, One more comment. I believe AM broadcast stations try to avoid phase cancellation between skywave and ground wave, and therefore they try and avoid antennas that have a high angle lobe. I'm pretty sure that's why the AM broadcast stations that tried such things as a 5/8 wave length

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Don Kirk
Hi Rick, I use a 68 foot base loaded vertical on 160 meters, but I also use 3 different pennant RX antennas. Unless it's ground wave, my 160 meter TX vertical is often deaf for stations in adjacent states that are in close to me (say 100 to 200 miles away). Sometimes I can barely hear these

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/1/2020 5:26 PM, Mike Waters wrote: However, during stateside contests such as the ARRL 160, not having some NVIS would be a disadvantage. Optimum height for NVIS on 160 is about 110 ft. 73, Jim K9YC _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 5:26 PM, Mike Waters wrote: However, during stateside contests such as the ARRL 160, not having some NVIS would be a disadvantage. 73, Mike W0BTU How come AM broadcast stations don't need NVIS? Rick N6RK _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband -

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 5:21 PM, K9FD wrote: I bought a supply from Mouser a month or two ago,  they had some on order,  probably all gone by now as the word gets around. 73 Merv K9FD I just ordered some from Mouser; "March 30" ship date. Over 4000 were supposedly available. Get 'em while you can!

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Mike Waters
Hi Ed, I forget what I said, but I am in full agreement with this. :-) However, during stateside contests such as the ARRL 160, not having some NVIS would be a disadvantage. 73, Mike W0BTU On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:38 AM Ed Sawyer wrote: > Mike, I am not sure where you find your information,

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread K9FD
Many of those Chinese ones are plain junk,   if you measure them they re no where close to a good 5109.    They just silk screen the number on the top of "generic" parts. If you use them test them before putting them in use,  will save a lot of trouble shooting time. I bought a supply from

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Mike Waters
I see they're all from China. Perhaps from Wuhan? ; -) 73, Mike W0BTU On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 6:30 PM wrote: > There's no shortage of 2N5109s on eBay for about one dollar each > > > www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=2n5109&_sacat=0&_sop=15 > > > 73 > Frank > W3LPL > > - Original Message

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Mike Waters
Mouser is going to have over 4600 Central Semiconductor 2N5109 BJTs at the end of this month. :-) https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Central-Semiconductor/2N5109?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2FWiw99kSkYzPxmkl%252BSQJuBJrk%3D 73, Mike W0BTU On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 5:55 PM Larry wrote: > RE: 2N5109

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread donovanf
One advantage of using Ebay is their excellent refund policies if you get cheated. I've used it many times and never suffered a loss. But you have only two weeks to file a claim. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" To: donov...@starpower.net,

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 4:30 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: There's no shortage of 2N5109s on eBay for about one dollar each www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=2n5109&_sacat=0&_sop=15 73 Frank W3LPL Considering that Motorola ceased production in the year 2000, most of these are obviously

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Larry
Beware of ebay 5109's. Most, if not all, from Chinese vendors are counterfeit. They usually don't work well, if at all, in place of a real 5109. Larry - W7IUV On 3/1/2020 4:30 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: There's no shortage of 2N5109s on eBay for about one dollar each

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread donovanf
There's no shortage of 2N5109s on eBay for about one dollar each www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=2n5109&_sacat=0&_sop=15 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "VE6WZ_Steve" To: "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" Cc: "Topband" Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 11:56:39 PM

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread VE6WZ_Steve
Hi Rick, Yes, the 2N5109s are almost un-obtainium now, but a few months ago Mouser stocked them and maybe DigiKey, but now they are out-of-stock. Even the 2N3866 substitute is hard to find. Over the years (2 decades) I have built at least 10 of these amps, and still have a supply of a dozen

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Larry
RE: 2N5109 replacement With my supply of 2N5109's getting low, I looked long and hard at suitable replacement parts. There just isn't anything made in a leaded package that's worth while. I did find a rather generic power transistor in a "large" SMD package that works quite well in my

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/1/2020 3:31 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: Now I know why you work stuff I can't even hear :-) I'm super impressed with the great station that Steve has built. Lots of great stuff on his website about the station and how he built it. It's an example of great systems engineering and

Re: Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/1/2020 2:22 PM, VE6WZ_Steve wrote: Just like some guys enjoy woodworking and making furniture that they may not really need, I like to build radio things just for the fun of the project even though I may not really “need” it. For three years I have been using the original 9 circle RX

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 2/27/2020 8:23 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: Your conclusions based on your modelling are completely consistent with my practical experience and modelling. My experience with building what I model or modeling what I've built has been that if I've built the model to accurately represent

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread Charles Moizeau
I would prefer to have the horizontal radiation canceled by using an inverted T, but I haven't discovered a workable configuration to achieve that. Therefore I use an inverted L with a vertical leg of 86', the most I can get. I have no serious limitations on the length of the horizontal leg

Topband: 9 circle RX array combiner board

2020-03-01 Thread VE6WZ_Steve
Just like some guys enjoy woodworking and making furniture that they may not really need, I like to build radio things just for the fun of the project even though I may not really “need” it. For three years I have been using the original 9 circle RX array kit that I bought from DX-engineering,

Re: Topband: T Top Verticals and yagis

2020-03-01 Thread HA3LN
Hi All, What if I use 2x flat tops instead of one spaced evenly? If I recall correctly this config has 60% of length of the single one. Does this solve the degradation effect? 73! Csaba HA3LN / HG3N On 2020-02-28 5:23, donov...@starpower.net wrote: Hi Ed, Your conclusions based on your