Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Mike and all, Well stated Mike. It's been a long time since we have conversed. The modifier to this is when the signals coming into the combiner are no longer in phase or coherent. This as a result of delay lines and time of signal arrival at the many elements. Most often in our small

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/11/2020 9:39 PM, Michael Tope wrote: The signal components add coherently at the combiner output yielding a total signal voltage of 14.14 Volts rms. The noise voltages are incoherent, so they add as root-sum-square at the output of the combiner. This yields a total noise voltage of

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Michael Tope
What matters is the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). Take the canonical example of an ideal 2-port Wilkinson power combiner with in-phase coherent signals of 10 Vrms applied to each input along with 1 Vrms random thermal noise from the respective element amplifiers applied to each input (i.e. each

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread GEORGE WALLNER
Here is an example at Digikey: ACX1545-ND Expensive, but... 73, George On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:33:08 -0400 DXer wrote: >>>Use an F connector (a high quality one that can be torqued.) Can you point to a place that sells them. I became a 'fan' of F termination, but have recently had

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Hello John and all, Concerning the adding the noise in a typical array. If the noise was coherent or exactly the same signal from each element/amp the summed noise would indeed be 8 times. However circuit noise is always random and incoherent which causes the summation to be a single

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread John Kaufmann via Topband
As the designer of the YCCC high impedance feedpoint amplifier, let me address some issues related to the design of the YCCC amplifier as well as feedpoint amplifiers in general. If you don't want to read a lot of technical gobbledygook, please disregard this message. The YCCC uses an AD8055 RF

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Lloyd - N9LB
Lee, Can you recommend an improved device to replace/upgrade the Analog Devices # AD8055AN chip? Any chance it would be a "drop-in replacement" ( pin-for-pin ) ? I've got nine of the YCCC that I'd like to upgrade. Or maybe I should just wait for Chris to complete his whole new design. 73 Lloyd -

Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread DXer
>>The design already has a 20 kA gas discharge tube and DC biased diode limiter for lightning and surge protection. It also has an optional (by internal link) diode limiter on the output so that it can be used by "weak" SDR receivers such as the SDRPlay RSP series that cannot take high RF

Topband: Wednesday 160m DX CW Activity Night

2020-03-11 Thread Roger Kennedy
Well conditions were pretty good last night . . . but not many NA stations active on CW . . . Maybe we'll get more people on tonight. (I personally usually pop on around 00.30Z . . . and again around 03.00Z) 73 Roger G3YRO _ Searchable Archives:

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Chris Moulding
Thanks for all the very helpful replies and suggestions. I'll change the BNC connector to a 4 hole F connector with 75 ohm output. The design already has a 20 kA gas discharge tube and DC biased diode limiter for lightning and surge protection. It also has an optional (by internal link) diode

Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread DXer
>>>Mouser 601- 25-7630 or 601-25-7660 Thank you very much, Lee. My last Mouser order arrived...today! On the list for the next order. LOL 73 de Vince, VA3VF _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector

Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread DXer
>>>Recently I've been asked by a radio contest group to see if I can redesign the YCCC Hi Z amplifier using modern components and using similar mounting arrangements to our Loop Antenna Amplifier. Hi Chris, Any updates on the loop antenna amplifier revisions you were working on a couple of

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Mouser 601- 25-7630 or 601-25-7660 [Lee K7TJR] >>>Use an F connector (a high quality one that can be torqued.) Can you point to a place that sells them. I became a 'fan' of F termination, but have recently had second thoughts because of the bulkhead connector's quality. Thanks and 73.

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/11/2020 6:28 AM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote: Assuming a trans-impedance amplifier, "unity gain" is enough (with reasonable size elements). Noise and IP3 are far more important. Lightning and surge immunity are also important. Also, isolate the amp from common mode noise travelling on the

Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread DXer
>>>Use an F connector (a high quality one that can be torqued.) Can you point to a place that sells them. I became a 'fan' of F termination, but have recently had second thoughts because of the bulkhead connector's quality. Thanks and 73. Vince, VA3VF _ Searchable Archives:

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Lee STRAHAN
Greetings all, George has some very pertinent points here and only on one point I will disagree. What a Hi-Z amplifier needs to do is dependent on your aspirations of the size and quantity of elements you decide to use. The combiner losses will dictate what you must do at the element end of

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread RT Clay
Chris, I just finished making my own set of amplifiers derived from the YCCC design but using SMD components. I used an AD8045 (SOIC-8 size) instead of the 8055 and added a voltage regulator. They have replaced a set of the original Hi-Z amps (the ones in the black mini-boxes with metal

Re: Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread GEORGE WALLNER
Chris, Assuming a trans-impedance amplifier, "unity gain" is enough (with reasonable size elements). Noise and IP3 are far more important. Lightning and surge immunity are also important. Also, isolate the amp from common mode noise travelling on the feed-line. Filter the power supply well.

Topband: Hi Z amplifiers for 160m

2020-03-11 Thread Chris Moulding
As well as being a radio amateur (G4HYG) I also run a small business designing and making radio equipment (Cross Country Wireless). Recently I've been asked by a radio contest group to see if I can redesign the YCCC Hi Z amplifier using modern components and using similar mounting