Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Grant Saviers
The advice we were given from Hi-Z for a new 4 square was not more elevation difference between elements than ~4 feet. ~20% of element length. The topography that happens between elements, eg spanning a creek, might not matter much given the simple single ground rod ground per element, but

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/12/2021 1:07 PM, Fred Moeves wrote: I do have one question please will loops like the VE3DO,DHDL and others work on a slope? I have a pair of VE3DO loops spaced 5/8 wavelength that work just fine. Both are on relatively flat ground, but with lots of slope all around. Write-up is here.

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Fred Moeves
Jim, Thank you very much. And I can confirm that even short (300') Beverages work on slopes. I do have one question please will loops like the VE3DO,DHDL and others work on a slope? 73 Fred KB4QZH On 1/12/2021 3:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 1/12/2021 11:14 AM, Fred Moeves wrote: The property

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/12/2021 11:14 AM, Fred Moeves wrote: The property is on a slope that dumps into a creek then back up another slope. I don't think a 4 square would work i these conditions. I was surprised how well the short Beverages worked out. Both I and NI6T, a great engineer and topband op, have

Re: Topband: Inverted J antennas?

2021-01-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/12/2021 10:48 AM, sawye...@earthlink.net wrote: Elevated 160M radials really need to be more like 20 – 25 ft above the ground to be efficient. Yes, this both my experience and the advice I got from N6BT, who has done LOTS of work with verticals. N6LF, who has also done lots of work

Re: Topband: Inverted J antennas?

2021-01-12 Thread Grant Saviers
For a portable helix loaded 160m vertical, I measured 1 and 2 127ft radials at 3.5ft and 6.5ft above ground (average or worse) and found a significant difference in the resonance R. 1 radial 3.5ft 50 ohms 1 radial @ 6.5ft 33 ohms 2 radials @ 6.5ft 28 ohms Which quantified the change in ground

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread weave...@usermail.com
My property is similar, sloping away from the house to maybe 40’ below in all directions. I wonder how much of an issue that is with a 4 square. The property is about 300 x 300 square so there is no real room for any beverages. The 4 square would be sitting maybe 25’ below the high point (SE

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Fred Moeves
I resent this from my PC... For some reason when I send email to this reflector it takes out all spacing in my text. Makes it hard to read... Frank, Thanks for help. The property is on a slope that dumps into a creek then back up another slope. I don't think a 4 square would work i these

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread fmoeves
Frank,Thanks for help.The property is on a slope that dumps into a creek then back up another slope. I don't think a 4 square would work i these conditions.  I was surprised how well the short Beverages worked out.But wanted to try to do better. Last summer I was able to get up a 580' Beverage

Topband: Wednesday CW DX Activity Night

2021-01-12 Thread Roger Kennedy
After a few days of poor DX conditions, looks like 160m propagation is getting back to normal . . . I myself managed an S9 report from Washington State last night. So hope we'll see lots of stations looking for CW contacts on the band tomorrow evening/Thursday morning. 73 Roger G3YRO

Re: Topband: Inverted J antennas?

2021-01-12 Thread Dave Cuthbert
Rudy, N6LF, wrote a great article on his elevated radial experiments. https://www.antennasbyn6lf.com/2012/02/elevated-radial-ground-systems-some-cautions.html Rudy says, "1) Use at least 10 to 12 radials. 2) Make an effort to have the radial system as symmetric as possible. 3) Keep the radial

Re: Topband: Inverted J antennas?

2021-01-12 Thread sawyered
Mike, All ¼ wave verticals have the same elevation angles. The question is what is the feedpoint efficiency which is dominated by the ground. That ground is a combination of your soil characteristics and the radial field design. In my opinion, 2 elevated radials about 5 ft above the ground is

Re: Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread donovanf
Hi Fred, A single 300 foot Beverage has excellent front-to-back ratio but very broad 150 degree 3 dB beamwidth on 160 meters, A 580 foot Beverage has approximately 80 degree 3 dB beamwidth, and it works very well on 160, 80 and 40 meters, one of the reasons why that length is so popular.

Topband: Phased Short Beverages

2021-01-12 Thread Fred Moeves
While watching another one of Steve's(VE6WZ) awesome videos got me to thinking about doing this to with short Beverages... I thinking about end-fire phased where one stepped in front of the other. I have read what ON4UN has written on this subject and just how close you can have Beverages with