Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB

2016-02-27 Thread Ed Sawyer
K1DG stated: "A couple of years ago I did a quick analysis and discovered he was right! The control case was N1UR, who operated the CQWW contest many years in the low power category, then turned on an amplifier and raised his score about 75%, or about 6% per dB! Same op, same QTH, same antenn

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-27 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi Jim, I think I wasn't really clear about that. I agree that each decibel matters. It matters for transmit AND for receive. Now *that* is clear:) The maximum power I have available to try and radiate is around about 100 watts. My QRP transmitter for top band is a Johnson Ranger at about 30

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-26 Thread Bob Lawson
I spent part of my engineering career designing satellite command FSK demodulators - including the deep space Pioneer Venus orbiter. To test the performance of them, we would mix the test signal with white noise. When you look at the FSK Bit-Error-Rate (BER) curve (bit errors versus signal to

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB

2016-02-26 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,2/26/2016 9:49 AM, Doug Grant wrote: Many years ago K1JX casually commented that contest scores improve 6% per dB. I filed that away for future reference. A couple of years ago I did a quick analysis and discovered he was right! There's clearly a difference, but the magnitude of the dif

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-26 Thread Mike Waters
> > ... Maybe most of those hams who preach otherwise have less interest in > weak signals. .. > I fully agree. It's when the S-meter isn't moving that a dB or two really matters! If we're 10 over 9 and in the clear, that's different. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Arc

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB

2016-02-26 Thread Doug Grant
Many years ago K1JX casually commented that contest scores improve 6% per dB. I filed that away for future reference. A couple of years ago I did a quick analysis and discovered he was right! The control case was N1UR, who operated the CQWW contest many years in the low power category, then turne

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-26 Thread James Rodenkirch
the noise, or not. 72/71.5 de Jim R. K9JWV From: Topband on behalf of Bill Cromwell Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 5:58 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast Hi, Doubling the po

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-26 Thread Bill Cromwell
Hi, Doubling the power output translates to less than one "S-unit" at a distant receiver. Maybe most of those hams who preach otherwise ahve less interest in weak signals. That is a matter of personal interest and personal taste. Don't forget that all of this applies on receive, too. There i

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-26 Thread Mike Waters
> > - its well worth the effort to improve your signal by as little as one dB > It certainly is! This is quite interesting. How many hams have we heard over the years preaching otherwise? "But it's ONLY a fraction of an S-unit!". 73, Mike www.w0btu.com _ Topband Reflector Archive

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-25 Thread Merv Schweigert
Great stuff, pays also if you are a dxer to read old QST articles, one of these is "station design for DX" tells about what a DB can do, as I remember one quote from the article " 1db opens a whole new layer of weak DX to work" Its true and its worth the work if your even half serious abou

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-25 Thread Joel Harrison
Wow, this is very good Frank. I can't count the number of times I've been trying to dig out a weak stn and jokingly made the statement "If I only had ONE dB more of signal from the station"! What's proven here is I really wasn't joking!!! Good info. Thanks for sharing the link to AB7E's info. 73

Re: Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-25 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,2/25/2016 8:40 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: its well worth the effort to improve your signal by as little as one dB Pro sound engineers have long appreciated this fact. It is well known that one dB matters when it is close to the level of interfering sounds, but not at all when th

Topband: Demo of the value of one dB and the cost of sending too fast

2016-02-25 Thread donovanf
The weak signal CW recordings on AB7E's website are well worth a few minutes to listen to. His recordings clearly demonstrate -- much more convincingly than any other demo I've ever heard-- the significance of one dB of improved signal strength and the cost of sending too fast under weak signa