Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-05 Thread Bill Tippett
23 years ago (!) I wrote: K9LA wrote: >*And another thing that clouds the issue - many of our antennas have a * >*response to the other polarization. For example, Beverages respond to * >*horizontal polarization off the side. * Very true! In fact, noticing signals on my Beverage system that w

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread David Olean
I was QRV one morning when W1FV was working JAs on a skewed path. At that time, he mentioned he was hearing them skewed to the west.  When he was seeing a skewed path, I was seeing a direct path here about 125 miles NE from his QTH. I have long beverages aimed at 260, 290 and 330 degrees. I was

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Richard Karlquist
It is easy to model a low dipole on EZNEC, provided that you do need to set "Display Options" to Horizontal AND Vertical. Then you will see a nice figure 8 pattern broadside to the dipole for horizontally polarized signals and a 90 degree rotated pattern (otherwise identical) for vertical polariza

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Don Kirk
Hi John, Hard for me to argue your purely vertical antenna system skewed observations. Thanks as always. Don (wd8dsb) On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM John Kaufmann wrote: > On 160 and 80, I have an 8-circle vertical receiving array. On very long > paths, it is not uncommon to see skewing. The

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Don Kirk
ibility of multipath reflections. >> >> Jim - KR9U >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+jbwolf=comcast@contesting.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Don Kirk >> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:10 AM >>

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread John Kaufmann via Topband
On 160 and 80, I have an 8-circle vertical receiving array. On very long paths, it is not uncommon to see skewing. The most common example is the path to JA, where the direct path heading should be about 330 degrees from my QTH in New England. However, for the last couple winter seasons, when th

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Don Kirk
: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:10 AM > To: topband > Subject: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. > Horizontal/Vertical Polarization) > > While playing around with my portable flag that I designed for MF/HF radio > direction finding, I noticed something that confu

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread James Wolf
mment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization) While playing around with my portable flag that I designed for MF/HF radio direction finding, I noticed something that confused me for about a year, and I finally figured out what's going on which led me to think about the 160 meter s

Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Roger Kennedy
Surely you would only notice this effect on Ground Wave signals (which is what you were observing), or on VHF. But as soon as signals start bouncing off the Ionosphere, let alone multi-hops of various kinds, I don't believe there is ANY real polarisation of the waves any more. Roger G3YRO ___

Re: Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread David Olean
I saw the same thing all the time on 144 MHz using my horizontal yagis, while trying to work vertically polarized stations. (usually mobiles with vertical whips.)  My yagis would always peak up the vertically polarized stations well off the correct heading.  The effect was more noticeable when

Topband: Interesting observation and comment (Skewed Path Vs. Horizontal/Vertical Polarization)

2021-06-03 Thread Don Kirk
While playing around with my portable flag that I designed for MF/HF radio direction finding, I noticed something that confused me for about a year, and I finally figured out what's going on which led me to think about the 160 meter skewed path comments I've seen over the years and wonder if some o