Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-11 Thread Raoul Coetzee via Topband
Yes Rob, my TX vertical feedpoint was closer to 7 ohm before it being transformed to 50 ohm by means of a auto transformer style bottom coil and tap. I have used a big fat relay with massive silver contacts, (it was used in a UPS to switch battery banks)  but with the actuator coil wires fed tro

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-11 Thread Rob Atkinson
Actually, if you have a quarter wave driven element and you are disconnecting it at the feedpoint, your relay concern shouldn't be voltage so much as current. Fast switching and large contact surface is more important than voltage handling. 73 Rob K5UJ _ Searchable Archives: http

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread Victor Goncharsky via Topband
HI Pete, I use Russian B1B vacuum relays for all RF switching, for high power 160m switching B2B vacuum relays are recommended. Hope you can get them there. Good luck. >Вторник, 10 декабря 2019, 16:31 UTC от N4ZR : > >Now that I've determined that my transmitting antenna must be >disconnected,

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread N4ZR
Thanks everyone who responded - I think I know enough to proceed. I had wondered about the need to open the shield side of the coax - I have 16 turns of RG-400 on a Type 31 core right at the base of the inverted L.  If the darned rain/snow ever stops, I think I'll temporarily re-connect the sh

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The need to disconnect the feedline shield is to block common mode signals. A K9AY approved **EXCELLENT** common mode block (not a regular "balun" with likely awful blocking on 160m), or (GASP) an isolation transformer will take care. In the case quoted, with the coax center contductor opened, the

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Pete, See RF parts.com, search vacuum relay VC2T-13.2. SPDT will allow you to change your mind about what state you want with no voltage to winding. And you will not need to buy a 24 volt power supply. Rated 12 kV will handle anything ham QRO. These are new, currentLy manufactured items. 73, an

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread WW3S
You should probably look for a double pole, I’ve been told you need to open the shield as wellI’ve had similar interference on my hi z array. I’ve opted to go a different route Sent from my iPad > On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:30 AM, N4ZR wrote: > > Now that I've determined that my transmi

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-10 Thread N4ZR
Now that I've determined that my transmitting antenna must be disconnected, in order for my K9AY loop to work successfully, can anyone tell me what sort of ratings are required for the relay required to do this remotely?  I'm assuming a vacuum relay, but in looking at the MGS4U list of availabl

Re: Topband: K9AY Loop not performing

2019-12-09 Thread Michael Walker
Hi Pete That is one interesting find. I'm going to have to do some tests and see if I have the same issue. My RX antenna and TX antennas are about 2 wavelengths apart and both are very well choked into a 2x8 switch. I am going to have to give this some thought. 73, Mike va3mw On Mon, Dec 9, 2

Re: Topband: K9AY Loop not performing

2019-12-09 Thread N4ZR
Thank you to everyone who responded to my query.  The transmitting antenna was indeed coupling both noise and signals into my K9AY loops.  I disconnected it at the feedpoint and the noise level on the RX antenna dropped 4 S-units!  Fooling around today in steady rain (which may affect the quali

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread Raoul Coetzee via Topband
I use a a relay to disconnect to the vertical portion just above the bottom matching coil, keeping all else connected.  I do not understand why  the shield should be disconnected ? If it carries RF back it could be decoupled by ground rods to shield or chokes.Bu if he top section is open circui

Topband: K9AY Loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread N4ZR
Thanks to everyone who responded.  I'm going to begin by disconnecting my transmit antenna at the feedpoint, as suggested by W3LPL and others, to see if it is the presence of the transmitting antenna (an inverted L) that is the problem.  Lots of other things to try, too. -- 73, Pete N4ZR Chec

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread Peter Bertini
I had the same problem with my K9AY loop. Despite being in a wooded area that seemed to have very damp soil the earth conductivity was poorer than I had expected. I added eight short radials under the loops and that made a huge improvement. I also added some cheap CATV ground rods to tie the ends

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread Rob Atkinson
If you open the tx antenna feedline for rx, from my experience, you need to completely open the entire feedline, namely the coaxial cable shield as well as the center conductor. coaxial relays that maintain conductivity of the shield when N.O. won't detune/isolate the tx antenna. I use a pair of

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-08 Thread pa5mw--- via Topband
Mark PA5MW -Original Message- From: Topband On Behalf Of N4ZR Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 22:14 PM To: topband reflector Subject: Topband: K9ay loop not performing I just put up a K9AY loop, using the Array Solutions control boxes, and am pretty disappointed. There is no audible

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread Dan Maguire via Topband
As others have said, a good *RF* ground is a requirement. Here's a comparison of modeled elevation patterns for a K9AY loop with a very good (low impedance) RF ground vs one with a very poor (high impedance) RF ground. https://i.postimg.cc/N0MqJg0x/image.png The trick to modeling a good ground

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread James Wolf
r Subject: Topband: K9ay loop not performing I just put up a K9AY loop, using the Array Solutions control boxes, and am pretty disappointed. There is no audible or visible difference in the noise level, while the received signal strength is down whenever I A/B it with my inverted L. There does

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread donovanf
- Original Message - From: "Alan Swinger" To: "Lloyd - N9LB" , "N4ZR" , "topband reflector" Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 10:19:51 PM Subject: Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing I also put out radials on my K9AY loop and also did what ON4UN

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread Alan Swinger
feedline. It has worked as advertised for many yrs. If not done, suggest chck it w/ AM bcst stations for directivity. 73 - Alan K9MBQ -Original Message- >From: Lloyd - N9LB >Sent: Dec 7, 2019 4:26 PM >To: 'N4ZR' , 'topband reflector' >Subject: Re: Topband:

Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread Lloyd - N9LB
: Topband: K9ay loop not performing I just put up a K9AY loop, using the Array Solutions control boxes, and am pretty disappointed. There is no audible or visible difference in the noise level, while the received signal strength is down whenever I A/B it with my inverted L. There does seem to be a

Topband: K9ay loop not performing

2019-12-07 Thread N4ZR
I just put up a K9AY loop, using the Array Solutions control boxes, and am pretty disappointed.  There is no audible or visible difference in the noise level, while the received signal strength is down whenever I A/B it with my inverted L.  There does seem to be a little directivity, but not mu