Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-13 Thread Michael Tope
If you look at Ken Norton's paper from the December 1941 Proceedings of the IRE The Calculation of Ground-Wave Field Intensity Over a Finitely Conducting Spherical Earth, he lays out the equations for the E field from a vertical radiator for short distances (short enough to neglect earth

Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Fry
Guy Olinger wrote: We will run NEC4 near field calculations on a 1/4 wave radiator with 120 buried 0.4 wavelength radials at 1.825 MHz, soil char of (5, .13). Even at 30 (thirty) km the depth of the notch near ground is still increasing. ... At 50 km out the minimum at 100m height is -28.69

Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Richard Fry r...@adams.net wrote: There is little point in dissecting the far field tens of kilometers from a vertical monopole to find the field remaining there at low elevation angles, because that does not account for ALL of the fields radiated by the

Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-11 Thread Tom W8JI
According to antenna engineering textbooks (Kraus, Balanis. Johnson Jasik etc), the free space, far-field radiation pattern is not a function of the distance from the radiator, as it is in the near field. The near-field/far-field boundary conventionally is defined as equal to 2L^2/lambda,

Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-11 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Perhaps a better definition of far field is the point of increasing distance where the shape of a pattern calculated by a near field process quits changing at angles and azimuths of concern. Let's test this idea using the NEC4 near field table generator. We will not change processes, using the

Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field

2012-10-10 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I believe the question was what happened to the curve if you went out to 30 km and a height of 5 km. To compare with the curve of 2.8 km and a height of 500m. At 2.8 km there is a notch forming, already at -2.5 dB. But the notch is NOT at the ground. If one pursues this tack, assuming all