Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-17 Thread Richard Fry
There is no magic about 120 radials, and long before 120 radials are reached the increase in field strength pretty much stops. According to the 1937 BLE experiments and IRE paper, this depends on their length. If they are short (~0.15WL), then there is little improvement in radiated field

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-16 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
think N6RK and others have measured the same. 73 Tom - Original Message - From: DAVID CUTHBERT telegraph...@gmail.com To: Rick Kiessig kies...@gmail.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-16 Thread Tom W8JI
Tom, I think you are extrapolating one case with a particular radial length to all vertical antenna ground systems. The N6LF radial papers detail his NEC-4 simulations and measurements of vertical antennas and radial systems. If I read his papers correctly base impedance does track field

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-16 Thread Charlie Cunningham
easier said than done!! Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of DAVID CUTHBERT Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:06 PM To: Tom W8JI Cc: topband@contesting.com; Rick Kiessig Subject: Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-15 Thread DAVID CUTHBERT
Read the N6LF radial papers and you will see that 1/8 wavelength radials are about as good as one can do. I use #14 stranded copper THHN wire because it is easy to work with. But how good can we get? For a 30' base loaded vertical I have 90 radials having an average length of 18 ft. The ground

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-15 Thread Charlie Cunningham
; topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? I use whatever I can find at the lowest cost which has been mostly #16 and 18 stranded and insulated in 500-1000' reels at a local surplus shop. Ive even used #22 when the other wasnt on hand and it was a weekend

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-15 Thread Tom W8JI
...@gmail.com To: Rick Kiessig kies...@gmail.com Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? Read the N6LF radial papers and you will see that 1/8 wavelength radials are about as good as one can do. I use #14 stranded

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-14 Thread Lennart M
Rick Kiessig Skickat: den 14 december 2012 15:30 Till: topband@contesting.com Ämne: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? The recent talk about optimizing the number of radials has me wondering about the optimal type and gauge for radial wire. I've been using #14 stranded, insulated copper

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-14 Thread Charlie Cunningham
: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rick Kiessig Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:30 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? The recent talk about optimizing the number of radials has me wondering about the optimal type and gauge

Re: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge?

2012-12-14 Thread Carl
: Topband: Optimal radial wire type and gauge? The recent talk about optimizing the number of radials has me wondering about the optimal type and gauge for radial wire. I've been using #14 stranded, insulated copper, but for no reason other than it's readily available in 500 ft spools at a decent